Quick Nehalem Question: What type of motherboard is needed?

[chucky2]

Just wondering say the P45/G45 boards that will be hitting later this year in the summer/fall will be able to accomodate Nehalem CPU's or if a whole new socket will be needed?

If a whole new socket, presumably to go along with a whole new chipset, is needed for Nehalem, then will the new Nehalem motherboards take the current 775 pin CPU's???

Thanks either way!

Chuck

 

[Idontcare]

It's a whole new socket, chipset and mobo. Not expected to be 775 compatible. In fact there are expected to be up to three socket variations for Nehalem.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, it appears that intel isn't too happy that the average joe can buy a Q6600 and stomp all over a QX9650 at stock speeds, so they're introducing some major differences between chips/chipsets with nehalem. Thanks hector.

 

[Idontcare]

I doubt its intentional, we don't represent enough $-volume to actively impact Intel's long-term strategies.

But you can be sure that they aren't going to any extra lengths to accomodate us "budget" overclockers anymore now that they don't have to.

Q6600 was more to pin-down AMD's top priced Phenom than it was something for us budget overclockers to grab onto. Q9300 will continue to fill this business need for Intel (to lock AMD's ASP upper-end, nothing to do with us overclockers).

It's easy to get wrapped into the mindset that we matter so much that Intel would actually devote extra resources to thwart our efforts, but trust me it doesn't register with them.

Consider for instance that 100% of the Kentsfield quads sold only represent ~6% of Intel's volume of chips...and then think about how small a percentage of that 6% we budget overclockers represent...even if 10% of all Kentsfield quads are bought by us budget overclockers (an absurdly high estimate won't you agree?) would still mean we represent no more than 0.6% of Intel's business...such a small tail could never wag such a big dog.

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from http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3272&p=4

 

[lopri]

'Standard' is an inconvenience if it's not what you made or what you made profit from. But it drives competition and benefits consumers. If no other entity in the industry can force Intel to comply a standard, my opinion is that government should get involved.

 

[imported_Baka]

Mmm, my thinking and big question, probably on everyone's minds, is how long will the 775 chipset be supported after they update to Nehalem? Will we still get chips in the 775 varient or will it be like the AMD 939 days?

 

[v8envy]

My crystal ball says you'll be able to buy 775 (and 771) pin chips in volume well into 2010. Unlike AMD Intel is nowhere near under the capacity constraints AMD was faced in mid 2006 -- they won't need to switch over completely. Nehalem won't be ramped up to anywhere near the volume levels required by big OEMs until midway through 2009 at the absolute earliest.

 

[aigomorla]

Okey stepping outside the normal april fools routine ive been seeing.

Neha will be avaiable in 2 different sockets for the consumer side and 2 sockets for the enterprise side.

The 2 platforms will however overlap in LGA1366. This is the high end gaming/pc config. Expect another version of skulltrail since LGA1366 is both used by the server side and high end PC side, IE Skulltrail.

Then the consumer side has one more Which is LGA1160. The mobile variant will be the mPGA989.

This is the lowball config, aka budget build. The cpu's are rumored to contain a onboard GFX controller also.

The Server side aka MP line is LGA1567. Which is probably the uber expensive chips which large multi million dollar corporations use.


Expect things to be more expensive if you want a high end pc. And also expect the low end pc vs the high end pc have its own standards in benching. There is no jumping the lines anymore for neha that we've been enjoying all this time.

 

[tracerit]

will Nehalem require DDR3 or can I use my DDR2 RAM still?

What pricing should we expect Nehalem CPUs to be at at release? close to $200 for a CPU?

 

[o1die]

$200. Sure, if you wait for price drops. I've heard ddr3 only, but I'll bet asrock will make a nehalem via chipset board that uses ddr2. I like those funky old tech boards. I have 2 asrock dual sata II's.

 

[toadeater]

Originally posted by: v8envy
My crystal ball says you'll be able to buy 775 (and 771) pin chips in volume well into 2010.

There doesn't seem to be anything, other than Vista, which requires so much CPU power for the consumer or the gamer, and it doesn't look like something will emerge by 2010. I can't think of anything to spur hardware sales than more advanced PC games, but that's in the hands of game publishers and they're all in a console gaming frenzy right now.

I don't think anything is going to change drastically by 2010. I don't really mind, since I'd like to get some decent mileage out of my PC, but Intel's going to have a rough time selling 6-core CPUs with incompatible sockets to consumers. I would like to see some games take advantage of PC capabilities though, I'm sick of these thinly-veiled console ports designed for dope-smoking juvenile delinquents being peddled as serious PC games.

 

[Genx87]

This fits nearly perfect with my next upgrade cycle.

Quad or Octo core + GT200 + 8GB of RAM?

Good times!

 

[zsdersw]

I'm sorry, but those who expect Nehalem, with it's integrated memory controller, to work in existing sockets or motherboards.. and are distraught over the accompanying socket/mobo change.. are idiots.

 

[BigMoosey74]

A brand new expensive one that isn't compatible with any of your current hardware is what kind of mobo it will need. I love the people that think Nehalem is going to be a kick @ss CPU or even a kick @ss gaming CPU. Nehalem could be a complete flop laden with issues. At the moment, the best gaming CPU is a dual core. Do you really think games are going to jump up to utilize 6 cores by the time the first ($1K) CPU appears? Penryns will be going strong even into 2010. Intel will come out with new steppings that increase stability and multipliers just like the Q6600s and your precious 775 socket that everyone is telling you will be dead by 09 will still be alive and kicking and quads will just be reaching their pinnacle. Keep in mind, quad cores are not even mainstream yet.


Seeing how long quad cores have been around, the fact that X38/48 JUST came out, and coupling that with the fact that there are still 775 chipsets to come out (P45)...Nehalem will take off as graceful as Dumbo.

The only way that Nehalem will work for gaming is if Larrabee is working well and accepted by developers. Then, and only then, you will see a need for more than 4 cores any time soon. Intel knows this is a gamble so that is why they are still developing new chipsets for 775 socket. They need that safety net. This is all part of a drunken tirade however, so cheers to the death of 775 mates.

Edit: Furthermore, Intel is going to create an even worse stagnated market for their 45nm quad cores by trying to focus on selling $1k Nehalem CPUs. This will allow AMD to finally catch up and perhaps surpass the 45nm quad core performances since Intel will be split like the Red Sea. This is a huge risk for Intel because it all rests on ray tracing's shoulders.

One can even compare this in parallel with the release of the X48 chipset. Incredibly useless since X38 just came out 3!!!! months ago AND board makers just ramped up the X38 specs that were supposed to be specific to the X48's. At this rate, people will still have 45nm quads on back order when Nehalem comes out. It will be a marketing train wreck when Intel releases a dual/quad core Nehalem.

 

[Hxx]

lol, I totally agree with you BigMoosey74. Most games nowadays are optimized for duals, whereas only a selected few are optimized for quads - aka flight simulator and Supreme Commander. Crysis, the best looking game of the year 07 yields better results on an overclocked dual core platform, than on a 45nm quad core platform. So gamers should start looking at nehalem processors maybe in early 2010 when hopefully games will hopefully utilize nehalem's 6 core processing power. And yeah I would love to see AMD catching up to Intel, that will hopefully drive the prices down a notch.

 

[OCGuy]

Im sorry moose but your whole post is speculation and frankly, crap. Making such absolute statements as you did is kind of laughable. Go spread such hate on a AMD board. It is obvious you are just upset that AMD hasnt even caught up to Conroe yet, let alone a 45nm.


For all we know, it could be a flop. But our guess is just as good as yours. (Unless you are some intel insider, in which case you probably wouldnt be bashing your future products).



Noone is saying 775 will be "dead", they just wont be the latest tech anymore. You can still game with an older socket Intel.

 

[dv8silencer]

wow I don't know when everyone turned into a gamer...

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: dv8silencer
wow I don't know when everyone turned into a gamer...

It was summer of 2002...I distinctly remember getting the memo. Don't you?

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: dv8silencer
wow I don't know when everyone turned into a gamer...

It was summer of 2002...I distinctly remember getting the memo. Don't you?

Dang! You're right! I just found the memo:shocked:...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: dv8silencer
wow I don't know when everyone turned into a gamer...

when they started bench marking performance via games.

 

[Denithor]

Well, I for one plan to get lots of mileage out of my new IP35 PRO/e8400/2x2GB DDR2 (if I ever get it installed in my box) before I swap it in for a Nehalem rig. The obvious benefit being I won't be paying the "early adopter" entrance fee to the Nehalem club. And depending on how things go long term, I may just drop in a 45nm quadcore eventually and run that for a while.

 

[deadcentre]

Originally posted by: o1die
$200. Sure, if you wait for price drops. I've heard ddr3 only, but I'll bet asrock will make a nehalem via chipset board that uses ddr2. I like those funky old tech boards. I have 2 asrock dual sata II's.

No, i'm afraid that you really haven't fully understood the problem; with an Integrated Memory Controller, the memory controller is integrated and that only supports what it supports. You can't choose an alternative chipset and get support for different memory. so, unless intel has been hiding something big, they'll all be DDR3, irrespective of what mobo makers (or chipset vendors, or memory vendors) would like.

So, at release time, the mobos will all be expensive and you'll have to use expensive DDR3 (expensive compared to current DDR2 prices anyway). And given the surge in DDR3 demand, and maybe even the lack of 3-stick kits on the market, there's at least a chance that DDR3 wil blip up, too.

So even though the prices for theNehalem chips themselves won't be too absurd, building a new rig won't be cheap and it will probably stay that way until there is a budget chipset available and DDR3 prices soften a little.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: BigMoosey74
Seeing how long quad cores have been around,

Less than two years, and they've only been affordable for ~12 months...

the fact that X38/48 JUST came out,

11 months ago, for X38, 7 months ago for X48...

and coupling that with the fact that there are still 775 chipsets to come out (P45)

P45 has been out more than 4 months now...

edited, after realizing my mistake.

 

[Tempered81]

"an expeeensive one" jk - x58 on the launch

haha.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: BigMoosey74
A brand new expensive one that isn't compatible with any of your current hardware is what kind of mobo it will need. I love the people that think Nehalem is going to be a kick @ss CPU or even a kick @ss gaming CPU. Nehalem could be a complete flop laden with issues. At the moment, the best gaming CPU is a dual core. Do you really think games are going to jump up to utilize 6 cores by the time the first ($1K) CPU appears? Penryns will be going strong even into 2010. Intel will come out with new steppings that increase stability and multipliers just like the Q6600s and your precious 775 socket that everyone is telling you will be dead by 09 will still be alive and kicking and quads will just be reaching their pinnacle. Keep in mind, quad cores are not even mainstream yet.


Seeing how long quad cores have been around, the fact that X38/48 JUST came out, and coupling that with the fact that there are still 775 chipsets to come out (P45)...Nehalem will take off as graceful as Dumbo.

The only way that Nehalem will work for gaming is if Larrabee is working well and accepted by developers. Then, and only then, you will see a need for more than 4 cores any time soon. Intel knows this is a gamble so that is why they are still developing new chipsets for 775 socket. They need that safety net. This is all part of a drunken tirade however, so cheers to the death of 775 mates.

Edit: Furthermore, Intel is going to create an even worse stagnated market for their 45nm quad cores by trying to focus on selling $1k Nehalem CPUs. This will allow AMD to finally catch up and perhaps surpass the 45nm quad core performances since Intel will be split like the Red Sea. This is a huge risk for Intel because it all rests on ray tracing's shoulders.

One can even compare this in parallel with the release of the X48 chipset. Incredibly useless since X38 just came out 3!!!! months ago AND board makers just ramped up the X38 specs that were supposed to be specific to the X48's. At this rate, people will still have 45nm quads on back order when Nehalem comes out. It will be a marketing train wreck when Intel releases a dual/quad core Nehalem.

edited: see below. I can't believe a 6 month old thread came back