Quick DSL setup question..

[Jtardiou]

Ok this is quite frustrating since im pretty computer-retarded.

From the DSL modem to the router is a crossover cable, but then do i need regular cat-5's to connect from the DSL router to the computers?

becuase it doesn't work. If someone could explain to me how to work this in lament terms, i've tried reading the guides but it's so overwhelming.

Thanks in advance crew,

 

[Jtardiou]

By the way, I THINK its a crossover cable from the DSL modem to the router.

Because, whatever that cable is (i think its a crossover), works directly from the ADSL modem to my computer. A regular cat-5 does not work from the ADSL modem to my computer directly. I don't know if it matters, but im currently living in europe.

 

[JackMDS]

The cable that works directly when used between the Modem and a stand alone computer should work between the Modem and the Router?s WAN Port (it is the same type of ports).

The cables between the computers to the Router?s regular ports should be straight.

If you want to overcome ?Ignorance? you can read this: AnandTech - FAQ. CAT5 Straigh...hich one should I Use?

In the USA I would guess that it does not work because you did not take care of the Router?s PPPOE.

Link to: DSL PPPOE and Cable/DSL Routers.

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[Jtardiou]

Oh my god I am lost.

Can you give me your AIM or MSN?

 

[JackMDS]

I do not have MSN or AIM.

Is your DSL connection is PPPOE based, i.e. the ISP gave you a special software that needs to be run to start the connection?

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[Jtardiou]

Ok this is better !

Yes, the ISP gave me a software to install. Right now im connected through my brother's computer. I remember when I was messing w/ it by connecting just me i do remember it trying to connect and it said (PPPOE) next to it.

Thanks!

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Jtardiou
Ok this is better !

Yes, the ISP gave me a software to install. Right now im connected through my brother's computer. I remember when I was messing w/ it by connecting just me i do remember it trying to connect and it said (PPPOE) next to it.

Thanks!

What kind of modem do you have? On my DSL modem, the modem itself takes care of PPPOE, so the router or computer connected to it does not need any special software. The software my ISP gave me is useless crap that just hijacks the browser and installs a ton of annoying "diagnostic" tools. Additionally, if you have Windows XP, your operating system has built-in support for PPPOE, so you do not need to load any additional software from your ISP even if your modem can't handle PPPOE internally.

 

[JackMDS]

ProviaFan

DSL Modem can not connect by itself. You probably have a DSL Modem/Router Combo. Some DSL ISPs are currently giving people such combos to overcome the PPPOE mess.

Jtardiou

Some where in the logs or the settings of the PPPOE software (look at the files in the PPPOE software directory) your would find an ID and Password.

Log to your Router?s Menus set the Router to DSL PPPOE and type in the ID and the Password.

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[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
ProviaFan

DSL Modem can not connect by itself. You probably have a DSL Modem/Router Combo. Some DSL ISPs are currently giving people such combos to overcome the PPPOE mess.

I'm not sure what I have (well, I know it's called the Speedstream 5100), but it apparently can't function as a router of the kind that I was aware of (the kind with NAT and DNS services built in, that are sold for home networks to share broadband connections); in other words, it doesn't eliminate the need for a NAT/DNS device of some sort on a network. Evidently, it may have another kind of router built in to handle the PPPOE, that I didn't know.

 

[gpgofast]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
ProviaFan

DSL Modem can not connect by itself. You probably have a DSL Modem/Router Combo. Some DSL ISPs are currently giving people such combos to overcome the PPPOE mess.

Jtardiou

Some where in the logs or the settings of the PPPOE software (look at the files in the PPPOE software directory) your would find an ID and Password.

Log to your Router?s Menus set the Router to DSL PPPOE and type in the ID and the Password.

:sun:

This is NOT true. I was given a "smart" modem by SBC Yahoo!(Speedstream 5100b I think) when I signed up. All the PPoE settings are stored inside the modem and it does all the negotiating with the ISP. To use a router, I had to turn the modem into a "dummy" modem and now all the PPoE settings/negotiations are handled by my router.

 

[gpgofast]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: JackMDS
ProviaFan

DSL Modem can not connect by itself. You probably have a DSL Modem/Router Combo. Some DSL ISPs are currently giving people such combos to overcome the PPPOE mess.

I'm not sure what I have (well, I know it's called the Speedstream 5100), but it apparently can't function as a router of the kind that I was aware of (the kind with NAT and DNS services built in, that are sold for home networks to share broadband connections); in other words, it doesn't eliminate the need for a NAT/DNS device of some sort on a network. Evidently, it may have another kind of router built in to handle the PPPOE, that I didn't know.

You have my exact same modem and I would assume that it is functionally the same. You will need to get into the modem and "bridge" it so it is now a dummy modem, change the modems default IP address also as it will probably conflict with your routers. Once that is done, you should be able to set up your router to handle all the PPoE. You will need your login name(mine requires the total address *****@****.net) and password. Make sure you set the "MTU" to manual and 1492(at least here in the states). Cruise over to dslreports.com as they have a lot of information on making dsl work. I use standard ethernet cables on all my modem router connections. GP

Edited to reflect who I was quoting. GP

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: gpgofast
You have my exact same modem and I would assume that it is functionally the same. You will need to get into the modem and "bridge" it so it is now a dummy modem, change the modems default IP address also as it will probably conflict with your routers. Once that is done, you should be able to set up your router to handle all the PPoE. You will need your login name(mine requires the total address *****@****.net) and password. Make sure you set the "MTU" to manual and 1492(at least here in the states). Cruise over to dslreports.com as they have a lot of information on making dsl work. I use standard ethernet cables on all my modem router connections. GP

Edited to reflect who I was quoting. GP

Thanks for the advice, but I didn't really have a problem.

The modem connects to a Win2k3 Server which uses Routing and Remote Access to do NAT for my network... it's a bit overkill for the 500MHz Celeron that it's running on, so I'll probably move to Linux before too long for that task. If I ever get a hardware router, however, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: gpgofast
This is NOT true. I was given a "smart" modem by SBC Yahoo!(Speedstream 5100b I think).

LOL. In the last few days I people keep picking on me even when I am Right???

SpeedStream 5100b info
This device is a One Port Combo Modem/Router.
It has an option for public or private IP on the computer's side Ethernet port.

The 5100b is Not a Router when using the Default setting of Public Address on the computer side.
Factory Configuration is PPP is on the modem and public IP address for computer.
DHCP server supports 1 and only 1 PC and there is 1 Ethernet port.
Enter your username and password in the modem.

The 5100b does provide NAT when using Private Addresses at the computer side.

However the Routers part of the 5100b sux. :shocked: So you are much better off configuring it as a Modem only and buy a nice cool Wireless Cable/DSL Router. :thumbsup:

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[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
The 5100b does provide NAT when using Private Addresses at the computer side.

However the Routers part of the 5100b sux. :shocked: So you are much better off configuring it as a Modem only and buy a nice cool Wireless Cable/DSL Router. :thumbsup:

:sun:

Please, I wasn't criticizing you, or saying you were wrong... just that I never knew that before.

Anyway, so that is what my ISP meant when they said that it could be used as a router, but they didn't recommend it. There was something about being able to use it with a router either with PPPOE on the router or on the modem, because if I understand correctly some routers can (supposedly) work with a modem that does the PPPOE itself.

 

[Jtardiou]

Good lord.. what is going on..

This has to be the SMALLEST problem ever.

Let me make a picture

[adsl modem box] ---- crossover cable ---->[router]--- reg cat5 --->[computers]

ok? now..

what am i doing wrong? how does it even work? will i be asked to dialup to be connected? same with the other computers on the router? will we always be connected? i installed the software the ISP provided me, and i just dont know what to do. this is so god damn overwhelming.

seriously, im not a complete idiot, im just not good w/ computers. im just trying to get internet on 2 computers, how hard can this be?

Plz, someone put it in VERY lament terms on what im doing wrong? god im so angry and stressed.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Jtardiou
Good lord.. what is going on..

This has to be the SMALLEST problem ever.

Let me make a picture

[adsl modem box] ---- crossover cable ---->[router]--- reg cat5 --->[computers]

If you read Jack's FAQ, you'd have seen the answer to this question:
If your Modem came with Straight Cable:
Modem to NIC - Straight Cable
Modem to Hub - Crossover Cable.
Modem to Uplink - Straight Cable (Router?s WAN).

If your Modem Came with crossover Cable:
Modem to NIC - Crossover Cable.
Modem to Hub - Straight Cable
Modem to Uplink - Crossover Cable (Router?s WAN).

ok? now..

what am i doing wrong? how does it even work? will i be asked to dialup to be connected? same with the other computers on the router? will we always be connected? i installed the software the ISP provided me, and i just dont know what to do. this is so god damn overwhelming.

seriously, im not a complete idiot, im just not good w/ computers. im just trying to get internet on 2 computers, how hard can this be?

Plz, someone put it in VERY lament terms on what im doing wrong? god im so angry and stressed.

First, before dealing with the router, you should connect the ADSL modem to the computer directly using the cable it came with. Get things set up that way, then worry about bringing the router into the picture.

 

[Jtardiou]

What is a NIC?
What is an Uplink?
Is a straight cable a regular cat-5?

I just moved to France, my brother has been plugged in directly into the modem with the USB port for about a year now.

He said it didn't come w/ a CAT-5

Right now im connected to my brothers computer using the CAT-5 that came w/ the X-BOX live, because it is the only cable that works. Knowning I never purchased a crossover cable, I'm assuming its a crossover, no?

When I plug myself directly in w/ the modem w/ the X-BOX live cable.. it works fine, it doesn't work w/ a straight cable though. I can't get the router to work, do I need a crossover cables from the modem to the computers? It detects the connection when I use a straight cable, but it doesn't work.

How will it work though? Will I have to dial up from one of the computers for it to work? Will we always be connected? Help ?

Thanks in advance crew,

 

[sjgmoney]

Phone Jack on wall>phone line>modem>STRAIGHT CABLE>router>STRAIGHT CABLE>computer (actually the network interface card or NIC inside the computer)

Sounds like you are trying to use crossover cables when you can't. Use regular STRAIGHT, CAT 5 cable. a crosover cable is mostly used for connecting one computer directly to another without switches, routers etc. Forget the word crossover for now

 

[bobcpg]

Originally posted by: sjgmoney
Forget the word crossover for now

Yes, you do NOT want to use a crossover cable anywhere in your setup.

but really the bigger problem is that you live in france. I'm sorry, oh so sorry.:disgust:

 

[Jtardiou]

I'm sorry you're ignorant?