Questions about RAM

Rimnet

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i never new there were so many differences in RAM. I am very confused as to what the different kinds are. Here are some questions on ram i have:

1) what is this CL thing. I have seen CL 2, CL 2.5 etc

2) what is the difference between Unregistered and Registered RAM

3) ECC?

4) Are most ram companies as good as any other? How is Kingston?

5) What do you guys recommend? Do the little differences above make a big performace difference?
 

Adul

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CL is latency.
lower is better.

ECC is used for servers, error checking and control

kingston is ok. Name brand is general good to stick with. Now certain brands overclock better then others.

Not a big, but enough to be noticable by some.
 

yakko

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1) Column address strobe. The number indicates the number of clock cycles you wait for data.
2) See below. It comes from Corsair's webpage.
3) Error checking and correcting. Only really needed for critical work like high end graphics and video or a web server.
4) Most companies are good for just basic computing but the harder you push your system the better the quality you want your RAM to be.
5) I recommend Crucial, Mushkin, Corsair or Micron. Samsung seems to be pretty good also but I have not really used it much to know.



Do I Want Registered Memory or Unbuffered Memory?
This one is pretty easy, once you understand the basics...

What are registers?

Registers are components, like DRAMs, only they perform a different function.

What is the function they perform?

Registers are known as logic, rather than memory, components. The function that they perform is the buffering of the address and control signals going on to the module.

Why are they called Registers and not Buffers?

In the language of system designers, buffers are known as "asynchronous". Whatever signals are on the input pins appear directly on the output pins (after a few nanoseconds). Correspondingly, registers are known as "synchronous" components. When new signal values appear on the input pins, they don't show up on the output pins until (a few nanoseconds after) the next tick of the system clock.

So, why are synchronous modules without registers known as "unbuffered" rather than "unregistered"?

Hmmm... there are some questions even the Ram Guy cannot answer! Old EDO and Fast Page Mode modules were known as "unbuffered" and "buffered", which makes a little more sense.

You said that the registers perform a "buffering" function. What does this do to help?

Think of it as "power steering" for the memory module.

If you have a sports car, you don't need power steering. The steering wheel directly controls the direction of the wheels. In fact, this direct control even maximizes the car's performance (except when parallel parking, of course...)

But, if you have a big, heavy truck, only Ahhh-nold has the strength to move those tires without a little help. So, when you turn the wheel, the relatively weak energy you put into the steering wheel is assisted by a much more powerful motor, which actually sets the direction of the wheels.

So, you want registers if you are moving a heavy load?

Yes, exactly. That's why most servers use registered memory, and in fact most server motherboards REQUIRE registered memory.

Do all registered modules come with ECC?

All Corsair registered modules have ECC. But, strictly speaking, this does not have to be the case. But, since most registered memory configurations have large amounts of mission-critical memory, it only makes sense to use error correction. (Read my bulletin on ECC for more info).

Give me the bottom line - do I need it or not?

The Ram Guy suggests these guidelines:

Gaming Systems: Registered memory not needed, may actually degrade performance slightly.
Servers: ALWAYS use registered memory. Most server boards require it. Plus, it will make it easier to add more memory later.
DDR Systems: Use registered modules if you will be installing more than two DIMMs.
High Performance Workstations: If you want a gigabyte of memory or more in your system, use registered memory (and a board that supports it!).
 

Ionizer86

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Ok, now that you know a bit more about ram, Anand's price guides page has some good deals. This stuff looks interesting since it's inexpensive, and since this stuff should be good, considering how Crucial also uses Micron chips in their ram.

Anyone tried this Micron 256mb PC2100?
 

Ionizer86

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Well, I take back the $35 micron ram deal. I just visited Crucial's page, and the ram prices are a bit lower again. 256mb PC2100 is $40 after the coupon, and 256mb PC2700 is $80 after coupon. Quite nice :)

Maybe it's time for me to pick up another 256mb PC2100 :)
 

etech

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plagiarize

1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).

A link should always be provided if you are going to copy and paste from another websight.
 

krystalogik

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Originally posted by: etech
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plagiarize

1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).

A link should always be provided if you are going to copy and paste from another websight.

Quit thread crapping. He cited corsaimicro's website.
2) See below. It comes from Corsair's webpage.
 

yakko

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Originally posted by: etech
corsairmicro.com/


plagiarize

1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).

A link should always be provided if you are going to copy and paste from another websight.
I guess the fact that your head is too far up your ass is the reason you missed the part where I said I got it from Corsair's website. I find it pretty amusing that you complain about my useless posts in Off Topic but when I make a helpful post in General Hardware you make a useless post with false information. What a dumbass.
 

joohang

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