Questions about photosynthesis

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spikespiegal

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I keep reef aquariums and have a green thumb, and after doing some research built a high powered LED light for my reef tank. My corals love it, and replaced a 150watt Metal halide for a light source that uses 1/10 the power.

The reason that LEDs work so well for this, as I understand it, is because white LEDs are primarily blue in nature, and the blue spectra sits almost right on top on one of the two main chlorophyll absorption lines.

So, I extrapolate if this works for light sucking marine corals, this should work for terrestrial plants as well. Some debate about blue/red being more advantageous for vegetative growth, but big deal.

What struck me is the lack of anybody really testing this in scale, except NASA, that seems commited to using solid state lighting for plant growth on space missions. Insert big application gap before you run into dope growers using under-powered Chinese LED lights a fraction as bright as mine, and I'm obviously not interested in that.

So, rather than turn my house into a greenhouse, I thought about approaching some local greehouses/nurseries that use metal haldies and see if they want to experiment. I'm just interested in the science behind this and will have to likely do some convincing since I'm not selling them anything. Since when is finding a way to do something practical such as growing food that requires a fraction the power over the prior method a bad thing?

However, I don't have enough formal knowledge to conclude that the reason terrestrial plants aren't using solid state lighting is because (a) there's some reason it doesn't work well, or (b) it's yet another example of people being too stubborn to change to better technology.

A friend suggested I try a local college and see if they have an agriculture dept interested in doing some larger scale testing, but it seems a bit strange and I need some constructive criticism.
 

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Originally posted by: spikespiegalSo, rather than turn my house into a greenhouse, I thought about approaching some local greehouses/nurseries that use metal haldies and see if they want to experiment. I'm just interested in the science behind this and will have to likely do some convincing since I'm not selling them anything. Since when is finding a way to do something practical such as growing food that requires a fraction the power over the prior method a bad thing?

who said it was a bad thing ?

there's a magazine called "Growing Edge" that is mostly focussed towards commercial food production, using hydroponics & growlights.

i suggest you submit your work as a paper/article. i think there's a good chance they might publish it.

some countries that have abundant electricity use this technique commercially for food production. e.g. the Netherlands. also conceivably BC, Canada. electricity is like 6 cents a kw-hour up there.
 

spikespiegal

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Did you Google about it first?

What's Google? Have a link? :cool:

The Japan study is typical of a couple I found from that country in which they are doing it on a large scale and proved it works extremely well, but they are being very vague about details. I'm guessing they are doing it because they want to protect the technology from Asian companies.

The U of MN link is typical of what I find in U.S. studies - very detailed in structure, but has no real value because there was no comparitive PAR (Photosynthetic Active Radiation) measurement between the light sources. Basically they threw some cheap Chinese made LED cluster lights up so somebody could finish their thesis in Biology and graduate. The study then links to lights used in the pot growing industry.

FYI - the lights I've been building are 10-100x more powerful than the ones used in the above links.

i suggest you submit your work as a paper/article. i think there's a good chance they might publish it.

I appreciate the encouragement. Given the formal information we do have there's obviously something significant here, especially considering forcasted global food demands and energy needs. (Sigh) Like everything else, I might have to wait for U.S. energy costs to go through the roof before anybody takes an interest here. Hence why I was being cynical.

 

bobsmith1492

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What, specifically, would you research? Per the other articles, it's apparent that you can at least use LED lights. So, you have to research something to further the science:

1. Are LEDs more energy-efficient at feeding greenhouse food plants?
2. If so, how much more efficient?
3. What wavelength (color) is most efficient?

What area would you be studying?
 
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