Question's about moding the LED power on a CM 4-LED fan.

KYDave

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Ok, here's the situation. I've got 5 Cooler Master 4-LED fans in my case and I want to hook them up to a Sunbeam Rheobus. However, when I hook them up to the rheobus the LED's shine noticably dimmer due to the 12V line droping from 11.96V down to 11.5V coming out of the Rheobus.

I first tried to figure out a way to get closer to 12V coming out of the rheobus, but I figured this would be too hard and I didn't want to fry my whole rheobus.

Next, I decided it would be neat to supply the LED's on the fans with their own dedicated 12V line instead of powering them with the rheobus line. This way I could turn all the LED's on or off with a switch, and they would never get dimmer just from turning down the fan speed. This is when I started reading up on LED's and I'm a bit confused on how they need to be hooked up.

I've read several places that you need to have a resister in series with an LED to help control the current through it. Well, I can't really see the internal guts on my fans well enough to tell if there's a resister hooked up with them or not. What I can tell is that the 4 LED"s are connected in series with one side going to the ground line and the other end soldered to a point on the tiny PCB that is NOT the same as the 12V line runing to the fan. With 11.96V applied to the power line of the fan, I'm reading about 11.5V across all the LED's. This tells me that there probably is a resistor in there. if I measure the resistance from the power line of the fan to the power line of the LED's I get 10.0 ohms.

I'm assuming there's a 10 ohm resister in series with the LED's. So here are the questions I have:

1) If I cut the LED "power" line from the fan and apply my own line of 12V to the LED's, do I need to add a 10 ohm resister?

2) What would happen if I didn't add the resister? Would they eventually fry? (I've put 12V across them for a short time and they lit up nicely, but I'm worried that they'll all fry in a week or so if I'm running too much current through them.)

3) Does a 10 ohm resister sound like too little? The other "LED guide" sites I read seemed to say that 30 ohms was as small as you should go, but they didn't make a whole lot of since because I couldn't find anything talking about this specific situation.

4) Last but not least. Is there a good way to find the type of LED's that are in these fans? ie. what voltage/current they're rated for. I don't want to ruin a fan just to find out and then not be able to put it back together.


Phew, I hope that wasn't too confusing. Thanks for reading this far, and thanks in advance for any advice you might be able to toss my way.

Dave
 

KYDave

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Would anybody know of another forum where I might have better luck getting help on this?

At this point I'm thinking I need to just put a 10 ohm resister in there to be safe.
 

BentValve

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I think your making it far too complicated Dave, plug the fan it to full system voltage and measure the voltage at the LEDs and add a resistor accordingly if it needs it.

Do you understand?
 

KYDave

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There is a slight voltage drop when doing this. Its less than half a volt. I guess it might have been .2V (.02A * 10 ohms).

Sorry for making it more complicated than it should be. I just don't want to go to all the trouble of setting this up and then blowing my LED's in a few weeks.
 

BentValve

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Originally posted by: KYDave
There is a slight voltage drop when doing this. Its less than half a volt. I guess it might have been .2V (.02A * 10 ohms).

Sorry for making it more complicated than it should be. I just don't want to go to all the trouble of setting this up and then blowing my LED's in a few weeks.

What is the voltage at the LEDS then 11.8V? If so then run the full 12V to them , they will be just fine.
 

BentValve

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If you are so unsure then simply compare the voltage of the LEDs while powered thru the fan cirucuit VS you powering them seperatly.
 

BentValve

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Oh where are you checking the voltage? You need to check it at the last LED in the series.
 

KYDave

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Yeah, the voltage is basically the same with only a tiny drop. I was just getting paranoid about it all, haha. I've got a degree in electrical engineering, but its been a while since I've had to use it . . . :)
 

BentValve

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Originally posted by: KYDave
Yeah, the voltage is basically the same with only a tiny drop. I was just getting paranoid about it all, haha. I've got a degree in electrical engineering, but its been a while since I've had to use it . . . :)


I am a mechanic and I have an ASE cert in automotive electrical as well as drivablility , so most of my knowledge is based on problems with
existing circuits rather than building them.

I would be concerned as well because I have not seen a LED that takes 12V ...are you sure there is not a resistor in that circuit already?


 

KYDave

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Its 4 LED's in series so the 12V is divided amongst them evenly. They're blue LED's and it seems a common voltage for blue ones is about 3.3V. I'm sort of assuming these are 3.3V rated LED's with just 3V applied to them. This would help explain why they get much dimmer when 2.8~V is applied compared to 2.9~V, they're already a tad underpowered.

I guess what I was unsure of is that if you're running the exact voltage to an LED that its rated for, do you still need a tiny resistor in series with it to protect it. (ie. NOT using the resistor to drop voltage, but to help regulate the current)
 

BentValve

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Worst case scenario is you blow them and you get some better ones, I would run them as high as possible if I was in your shoes.


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KYDave

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hehe, true. Even if they blow I've still got some nice quiet fans.

Thanks for your help. You've made me feel a bit more comfortable about just running them without any resistors.

Dave