Originally posted by: gotsmack
Wouldn't it make sense to split up iraq up into two parts so the 2 main muslem groups wouldn't fight each other every day?
That would stop the power grab. and you could build up 2 stable countries rather than one that is a mess.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
First you are forgetting the Kurds---so why not a three way split?---and big problem---the majorite Shites have oil---where the Sunni are dominant---not a drop.
And Turkey is going to be very upset if the Kurds get their own country.
But maybe it will just take a civil war to sort things out---as neighboring countries manuver to pick up the pieces.
But in the case of Bush---its fools rush in where angels fear to tread.---leaving the one unifying factor for Iraq---everyone hates Georgie.
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There is no civil war.
Originally posted by: Frackal
Interesting how the talk is shifting to what to do now that the original aim has failed
There's still some chance perhaps for something close to the original hope for a cooperative democracy, but it doesn't look good at all
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There is no civil war.
True no war is civil...
We could end the uncivil war by using Mountbatten's India plan... and pump all the oil to a central area and divide the spoils 3 ways...
Turkey might frown on a Kurdestan partition and the Iranians if their buddies in Iraq got short changed by being near Kuwait/Saudi border... I think..
Originally posted by: Frackal
Interesting how the talk is shifting to what to do now that the original aim has failed
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There is no civil war.
True no war is civil...
We could end the uncivil war by using Mountbatten's India plan... and pump all the oil to a central area and divide the spoils 3 ways...
Turkey might frown on a Kurdestan partition and the Iranians if their buddies in Iraq got short changed by being near Kuwait/Saudi border... I think..
That would be like dividing California sunshine between Blacks and Whtes and Mexicans.
Originally posted by: IrateLeaf
last time I checked it was not ours to split up.
Now i could be wrong.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thank You!
Originally posted by: Lemon law
everyone hates Georgie.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
There is no hope for peace of any kind when we have 130,000 armed thugs roaming their streets.
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
I'm pretty sure "we" don't own Iraq. "We" don't know fukc about Iraq. "We" need to leave.
Originally posted by: LunarRay
We could end the uncivil war by using Mountbatten's India plan... and pump all the oil to a central area and divide the spoils 3 ways...
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Originally posted by: Lemon law
everyone hates Georgie.
Pretty bold of you, speaking for the entire world, isn't it?
Originally posted by: jpeyton
There is no hope for peace of any kind when we have 130,000 armed thugs roaming their streets.
Yeah, it's people with attitudes like this that spit on guys coming back from Vietnam. Thanks for taking us back in time 30+ years! :roll:
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
I'm pretty sure "we" don't own Iraq. "We" don't know fukc about Iraq. "We" need to leave.
Oh goody! Someone else representing a large group! Perhaps "we" should run for political office if "we" have such strong views? Or is it just easier to whine in a forum and do nothing else?? :disgust:
Originally posted by: LunarRay
We could end the uncivil war by using Mountbatten's India plan... and pump all the oil to a central area and divide the spoils 3 ways...
Possibly the only sensible idea I've seen in this thread. Unfortunately, human nature would likely not make this work, as sooner or later one group would think that they deserved to be "more equal" than the other two, or one group would claim that the other two were getting more than their fair share.
It's pretty obvious that having these three groups living together as one is working out just about as well as it did in Yugoslavia. Remember how shocked people were when things fell apart there? Yet they forgot that the only reason Yugoslavia didn't implode earlier than it did was the 40+ years of Soviet dominance there, that forced the people to get along with each other, much the same that 20 years of Saddam Hussein's rule in Iraq did the same.
These people will likely learn to live together, though I'm sure there will be some serious birthing pains before the "new Iraq" will be a success. I'm willing to bet that once the Iraqi's take over a stronger role, and we back off, that things will straighten out. It's very likely that it will take a strong ruler, much like Saddam (though without the murderous tendancies), to make it happen.
But that's just my opinion!
Originally posted by: kage69
You know, it's curious the Turks aren't a little more interested in the idea of a Kurdish nation. Think about it, they've been fighting against Kurdish independance groups for awhile now, and are likely tired of it. Were an autonomous Kurdish state created outside of Turkish lands, wouldn't we see a kind of Kurdish exodus to it like we did when Israel was created? A start up state like that would probably never be able threaten a country like Turkey, and might even provide a beneficial buffer zone to all the crap blossoming just down the road.
I realize that might not work for Kurds who think they are entitled to lands within Turkey, I guess I'm just thinking out loud...
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Originally posted by: Lemon law
everyone hates Georgie.
Pretty bold of you, speaking for the entire world, isn't it?
Originally posted by: jpeyton
There is no hope for peace of any kind when we have 130,000 armed thugs roaming their streets.
Yeah, it's people with attitudes like this that spit on guys coming back from Vietnam. Thanks for taking us back in time 30+ years! :roll:
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
I'm pretty sure "we" don't own Iraq. "We" don't know fukc about Iraq. "We" need to leave.
Oh goody! Someone else representing a large group! Perhaps "we" should run for political office if "we" have such strong views? Or is it just easier to whine in a forum and do nothing else?? :disgust:
Originally posted by: LunarRay
We could end the uncivil war by using Mountbatten's India plan... and pump all the oil to a central area and divide the spoils 3 ways...
Possibly the only sensible idea I've seen in this thread. Unfortunately, human nature would likely not make this work, as sooner or later one group would think that they deserved to be "more equal" than the other two, or one group would claim that the other two were getting more than their fair share.
It's pretty obvious that having these three groups living together as one is working out just about as well as it did in Yugoslavia. Remember how shocked people were when things fell apart there? Yet they forgot that the only reason Yugoslavia didn't implode earlier than it did was the 40+ years of Soviet dominance there, that forced the people to get along with each other, much the same that 20 years of Saddam Hussein's rule in Iraq did the same.
These people will likely learn to live together, though I'm sure there will be some serious birthing pains before the "new Iraq" will be a success. I'm willing to bet that once the Iraqi's take over a stronger role, and we back off, that things will straighten out. It's very likely that it will take a strong ruler, much like Saddam (though without the murderous tendancies), to make it happen.
But that's just my opinion!
But there is no civil war or uncivil civilian war. There are insurgents trying to prevent Iraq from succeeding as a democracy. More troops are coming to stabilize the situation.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
First you are forgetting the Kurds---so why not a three way split?---and big problem---the majorite Shites have oil---where the Sunni are dominant---not a drop.
And Turkey is going to be very upset if the Kurds get their own country.
But maybe it will just take a civil war to sort things out---as neighboring countries manuver to pick up the pieces.
But in the case of Bush---its fools rush in where angels fear to tread.---leaving the one unifying factor for Iraq---everyone hates Georgie.
Premiering here in election booths nationwide in November.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Frackal
Interesting how the talk is shifting to what to do now that the original aim has failed
We didn't get the WMD??? :shocked:
Originally posted by: jpeyton
There is no hope for peace of any kind when we have 130,000 armed thugs roaming their streets.
Let's face the reality that we half-assed our invasion, and our committment of troops and resources is not going to be enough to change the status quo. Regardless of whether we stay there another month or another two years, they are going to have to figure out many things on their own. If that means civil war or peaceful diplomacy, I can't say. But we're not fixing the leak in the dam, just plugging it with our finger.
Do we really need a lengthy occupation to come to our senses?