Question: When was Iraq created?

[petrek]

Help me pinpoint the exact date and person who created Iraq.
I know that present day Iraq was a League of Nations mandate in the early 20th century after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire due in part to WWI.
What I want to know is when was the word Iraq first used to refer to an area in the Middle East, what was that area, and who named it that?

I've already spent a number of hours googling, so hopefully...
Dave

 

[EagleKeeper]

Link

DECLARATION OF THE KINGDOM OF IRAQ, MADE AT BAGHDAD ON MAY 30th, 1932,
ON THE OCCASION OF THE TERMINATION OF THE MANDATORY REGIME IN IRAQ,
AND CONTAINING THE GUARANTEES GIVEN TO THE COUNCIL
BY THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT

 

[Colt45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...y_of_Iraq#Modern_Times

 

[Martin]

George and Clemenceau got together one day and drew some lines.

 

[miketheidiot]

iraq was created in its current form so that their could not be politically unified, and dependant on other countries for naval transportation. It was designed to be a neutered nation.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Colt45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...y_of_Iraq#Modern_Times

sadly we're all holding our breathe on the next chapter of that story....

 

[petrek]

EagleKeeper and Colt45 I read through that within the first 20 minutes of googling, and made mention of it in my original post.
But when my friend gives me this info:

1405: Iraq falls under control of Turkish tribes from Anatolia.
1508: Iraq is put under Iranian Safavid control.

We have a problem.
If Iraq was only created as a mandate of the League of Nations in the early 20th century, then he is inaccurate to refer to the the area currently known as Iraq as being around in the 15th century.
It is for that reason that I am seeking a specific time, area, and person associated with the creation of a place called Iraq. It may very well be that any and all references made to Iraq pre 20th century are back thoughts, just as referring to present day Iraq as Mesopotamia is a forward thought. Hence my post. I want to know the truth in regards to this issue, before I get back to him. Who created Iraq, what were its boundries, and when was it initially created.

Dave

 

[raildogg]

Iraq is the creation of Great Britain, its not a real country. It was just carved out, based on maps

 

[dannybin1742]

the invasion plan was created in 2001 by... oh wait thats the war plan sorry. see above links

:Q

 

[petrek]

Iraq is the creation of Great Britain, its not a real country. It was just carved out, based on maps

That is what I'm trying to establish. And if that is the case, then why are there numerous references to Iraq prior to the 20th century in the historical record (two of which I pointed out in my above post)?

Dave

 

[imported_Condor]

Lets see here, you started a ME thread with the sincere intent of getting information? No subversive plan to bash Bush? I don't think that is legal here!

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: petrek

Iraq is the creation of Great Britain, its not a real country. It was just carved out, based on maps

That is what I'm trying to establish. And if that is the case, then why are there numerous references to Iraq prior to the 20th century in the historical record (two of which I pointed out in my above post)?

Dave

Those references are probably just calling the region that Iraq occupies today 'Iraq' in those historical references.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: petrek
EagleKeeper and Colt45 I read through that within the first 20 minutes of googling, and made mention of it in my original post.
But when my friend gives me this info:

1405: Iraq falls under control of Turkish tribes from Anatolia.
1508: Iraq is put under Iranian Safavid control.

We have a problem.
If Iraq was only created as a mandate of the League of Nations in the early 20th century, then he is inaccurate to refer to the the area currently known as Iraq as being around in the 15th century.
It is for that reason that I am seeking a specific time, area, and person associated with the creation of a place called Iraq. It may very well be that any and all references made to Iraq pre 20th century are back thoughts, just as referring to present day Iraq as Mesopotamia is a forward thought. Hence my post. I want to know the truth in regards to this issue, before I get back to him. Who created Iraq, what were its boundries, and when was it initially created.

Dave

Generic reference to an area that conforms to terms of familiarity.

You do know NOW where Iraq is in todays geopolitical boundrys.
Do wou know where Babel, Sodom, Gomorah, or even Assyria are or were ?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Link

Seems to provide are reasonable timeline.

Looks like the term Iraq started in the 14th century.

It was formalized in the 20th century.

Civilizations in the area flourish and died out, so very few records exist. Most are stories past down by word of mouth, similar to the old/new testiments in the Bible.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Don't know about 'Iraq' in the 14th century

During the late 14th and early 15th centuries, the Black Sheep Turkmen ruled the area now known as Iraq

'Now known as' is pretty generic as dealing with an area and it's present area.

How about - 'The Country Formerly Known as Prince' ?

 

[petrek]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Link

Seems to provide are reasonable timeline.

Looks like the term Iraq started in the 14th century.

It was formalized in the 20th century.

Civilizations in the area flourish and died out, so very few records exist. Most are stories past down by word of mouth, similar to the old/new testiments in the Bible.

As per that site:

"Muslims conquered Iraq in the 7th century AD. In the eighth century, the Abbasid Caliphate established its capital at Baghdad, which later became a frontier outpost of the Ottoman Empire.

During the late 14th and early 15th centuries, the Black Sheep Turkmen ruled the area now known as Iraq. In 1466, the White Sheep Turkmen defeated the Black Sheep Turkmen and took control of the region."

So what is it? Was the term Iraq used in the 7th century to refer to a specific region of the Middle East, or in the 15th century did the Black Sheep Turkmen rule an area now known as Iraq?

Any true Middle East Historians who can give a definitive answer on the subject?

Dave

Scripture was only passed down by word of mouth prior to Moses, after Moses it was the written Word that was passed down from generation to generation.