*question* Upgrade from P2.4C to P3.2E

tgx78

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I have P2.4C, MSI 865PE Neo2, 1G Ram, 5200fx at work and trying to do a simple upgrade.

Mainly I run 2d graphic programs such as Illustrator, Photoshop, Corel Draw, XP trace etc. simutaneously

First thing I wanted to do is change the CPU to 3.2E.

By doing so, can I expect noticable improvement in speed over my previous CPU?

Also I am wondering if my ATA100 7200rpm HDD is bogging me down.

What if I upgrade to the SATA WD raptor HDD? is it going to make much of difference?

Your comment would be appreciated.
 

stevty2889

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I think you would benifit more y doing the CPU upgrade than upgrading to a raptor. Yes the raptor will help some when working with large files,but not sure that it will be that big of a differance. Make sure that motherboard has prescott support before trying to put a 3.2e in it. Some of the earlier 865/875 chipset motherboards weren't able to handle prescotts.
 

tgx78

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Thanks

I know I will be upgrading to 3.2E for sure. I checked the mb and it does support prescott CPUs.

Should I be able to overclock it with stock Intel fan? or do I need aftermarket ones?
 

RussianSensation

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Originally posted by: tgx78
Thanks

I know I will be upgrading to 3.2E for sure. I checked the mb and it does support prescott CPUs.

Should I be able to overclock it with stock Intel fan? or do I need aftermarket ones?

The stock Intel fan should be really good for the Prescott CPUs since they are really hot, and intel had to increase the quality of the stock heatsink/fan. You should be able to reach 3.6ghz on stock cooling with EASE. Now 3.6ghz Prescott vs. 2.4ghz Northwood would give you roughly 50% increase in speed (A hard drive upgrade will never match that). If you find that the stock heatsink isn't sufficient, you can always buy an aftermarket one. Unless the OEM version of the processor is much cheaper than the Retail one, just get the retail version. Otherwise get the OEM cpu and an aftermarket cooler.
 

BonzaiDuck

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He should be able to overclock a 2.4C Northwood to around 2.8 through 3.0 with the right memory running 1:1. Without high-performance memory, he might get there with less-expensive RAM and running a divider.

THG published some tests recently showing that even improved stock Prescott HSF's were inadequate, because the CPU did a lot more "throttling back" than would be desired. So they recommended aftermarket cooling -- heatpipes, larger fans.

If tgx78 had an ASUS P4C800 or P4P800, he would have implementation of the "Lock-Free" feature in the October, '04 BIOS upgrade. Then he would have a slightly bigger range of over-clock options because he could drop the multiplier of a 3.2E from 16 to 14. Of course, OC'ing that way would again suggest advantages to using DDR433, DDR500 etc. for RAM.

But contrary to earlier conclusions I had made, the thermal design power of the 3.2E and 3.4E with the C0 stepping (candidate for dropping the multiplier) is still 103W in either case. One poster at another forum noted that his load temperature with a ThermalRight XP-90 cooler and Vantec Tornado fan never broke 42C, so an XP120 with a Panaflo Ultra-High Speed 120mm (2,700 rpm -- high speed -- hah!) would give almost the same advantage (shy about 5CFM throughput) as the Vantec Tornado without the noisy disadvantage.

But I would recommend moving across from Northwood to Prescott only if tgx78 is planning to over-clock. The Northwood 2.4C has marvelous OC'ing potential with the right memory, and runs ridiculously cool. the Prescott only shines in over-clocked settings. If you're not going to over-clock, consider a 3.0 or 3.2C Northwood. If you are going to over-clock, try pushing the 2.4C to the limit and get some good, fast memory for it. But if you are going to get the fast memory and run a 1:1 divider, the Prescott 3.2E should perform even better, because the cache-size makes the short stretch between a fast processor and and fast memory even shorter. With the Prescott, I think you'd need a good heatpipe cooler like the XP120, and a Panaflo Ultra HS, SUNON KD1212PMB1-6A, or even a Delta -SHE. With the noisier choices of fans, you can control the fan from the mobo provided the fan-header supports the wattage, and use SPeedFan to keep it quiet at idle processor temperatures and speeds.
 

dev0lution

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SiS SANDRA benchmarking/utility software includes measured results for a variety of CPUs, Drives, chipsets, etc in many of the benchmarks (CPU, Multi-Media, Storage, combined performance) so you can compare your current setup to what you'd like to upgrade to. Might give you an idea of what to expect depending on what options you choose. Of course, it isn't "real world" performance since it's an artificial software benchmark, but still might be interesting to take a look at...
 

tgx78

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Thanks for all the inputs and suggestions.

I tried overclocking 2.4C before with not much success. I didn't put together this system and I am thinking

it has slower speed RAM or something. It was very unstable even after I increased RAM voltage.

I guess ideal solution would be to get a 3.2E with faster memory then overclock to somewhere 3.6Ghz.
 

patsfan33

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I would get some better ram and OC the 2.4C cpu. Its a better value than getting a prescott then also buying new ram.