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kalrith

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: kevnich2
The people who are saying that all the fat people just eat too much and don't exercise and don't care really I don't think really have any idea what actually goes into being overweight. Yes, there are a good amount of people that simply eat too much, don't exercise and are overweight. They're the ones that usually take those carts in the big stores and use those, instead of walking around and when they get home they immediately go to the fridge and start eating again because the trip to the store was so much work for them. But there are others (myself included) that can eat as little as possible, drink 8-9 bottles of water and try to exercise when time allots because of very busy schedules who are overweight or obese. If anybody ever told me I'm overweight because I eat too much, look at my intake for the last few weeks. I'll admit, I don't work out 5 days a week and starve myself just to lose weight but there are legitimate reasons to being overweight OTHER than eating too much and not exercising.

Geez, can I park my car in your garage? You can't violate simple thermodynamics. If what you said was really true, you'd put $5 in gas in your car and it'd last a month of daily commutes.

As far as I understand you, you're referring to a change in one's weight being a basic formula of calories taken in minus calories burned. The part you're forgetting is that the body has a built-in mechanism to reduce its calories burned (aka metabolism) in order to protect the body against a famine.

Kevnich2, you might be starving yourself and causing your body to reduce your metabolism to compensate for the "famine". If you eat 6 meals a day and try to make sure your total calories are at least 1600, then that should help to increase your metabolism and weight loss.

Silverpig, if I changed to a 800-calorie-per-day diet tomorrow, I would lose a ton of weight in the first few months. According to your "law of thermodynamics", if I exert the same amount of physical activity and take in the same number of calories, then I should lose the same amount of weight every month forever. The human body just doesn't work that way. My weight loss will taper off as my metabolism slows down, and it will eventually stop. Heck, I might even start to gain weight again.

Edit: If cars worked like the human body, then always keeping your vehicle below 1/4 tank of gas would eventually slow the speed at which it burns gas, and you would wind up getting much better gas mileage.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: kevnich2
The people who are saying that all the fat people just eat too much and don't exercise and don't care really I don't think really have any idea what actually goes into being overweight. Yes, there are a good amount of people that simply eat too much, don't exercise and are overweight. They're the ones that usually take those carts in the big stores and use those, instead of walking around and when they get home they immediately go to the fridge and start eating again because the trip to the store was so much work for them. But there are others (myself included) that can eat as little as possible, drink 8-9 bottles of water and try to exercise when time allots because of very busy schedules who are overweight or obese. If anybody ever told me I'm overweight because I eat too much, look at my intake for the last few weeks. I'll admit, I don't work out 5 days a week and starve myself just to lose weight but there are legitimate reasons to being overweight OTHER than eating too much and not exercising.

Geez, can I park my car in your garage? You can't violate simple thermodynamics. If what you said was really true, you'd put $5 in gas in your car and it'd last a month of daily commutes.

As far as I understand you, you're referring to a change in one's weight being a basic formula of calories taken in minus calories burned. The part you're forgetting is that the body has a built-in mechanism to reduce its calories burned (aka metabolism) in order to protect the body against a famine.

Kevnich2, you might be starving yourself and causing your body to reduce your metabolism to compensate for the "famine". If you eat 6 meals a day and try to make sure your total calories are at least 1600, then that should help to increase your metabolism and weight loss.

Silverpig, if I changed to a 800-calorie-per-day diet tomorrow, I would lose a ton of weight in the first few months. According to your "law of thermodynamics", if I exert the same amount of physical activity and take in the same number of calories, then I should lose the same amount of weight every month forever. The human body just doesn't work that way. My weight loss will taper off as my metabolism slows down, and it will eventually stop. Heck, I might even start to gain weight again.

Edit: If cars worked like the human body, then always keeping your vehicle below 1/4 tank of gas would eventually slow the speed at which it burns gas, and you would wind up getting much better gas mileage.

I'm aware of metabolic rate changes, but when it comes down to it, there's no way you can gain weight by burning more than you eat. Sure, you might lose weight more slowly, but you will still lose weight.
 

Haui

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Originally posted by: jinduy
i was sitting in the bus today and noticed how this really fat lady sat in the middle of 3 seats in the front section, while her waist was taking up the two seats beside her. if i were her i'd feel like i got some physical issues to be taking up 3 seats like that while people are standing up in the bus.

I want to say this.....a family member of mine is over weight. They are trying really hard to lose the weight. The member will be traveling tomorrow on a plane bound for Chicago....and I will be DAMNED if I let anyone say $hit to them or anything.

To those of you who STILL make fun of fat people, you make yourself look very grim and disgusting.

I myself am average - 6'0 tall and 180lbs. Yes, it's uncomfortable, but thats no reason to make fun or poke fun at them.
 

wkabel23

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If judging a fat person makes you feel better about your life then go ahead (i.e they're disgusting=they're not me or they don't have any motivation, self-control, etc.= i have those). If it gets you through the day, it doesn't bother me. Me? I try to avoid judging a person I don't know anything about...besides...what would I gain from it? I'm satisfied with my life, judging someone who might not have been as blessed as I is useless.

Seriously, the ignorance in this thread is ridiculous. I know people who eat healthier than me and exercise often yet I get the 'desirable' body shape while they are overweight. It's not as simple as many of you think...i'll give you a hint though: genetics.
 

Xyclone

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Originally posted by: sixone
I bet she knew that before she got on the bus. :roll:

Seats on buses, planes, and in theaters are getting smaller, so that these businesses can maximize the number of people they can cram in. While we're getting taller and wider. At some point, it defeats the purpose.

And you don't want to be sitting in front of me, when I have my knees jammed into the back of your seat.

You don't think that's part of the problem? People need to stop stuffing their faces with fast food and start making smarter decisions, because their waistlines, wallet, and health are taking a hit with every burger and fry they stuff into their mouths.
 

Ruptga

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Originally posted by: LolaWiz
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
This is America, dammit! If I want to eat a pound of bacon per day and die with a distended stomach at the ripe old age of 32, that's bloody well my freedom of choice to do so, isn't it?


PS - Pass the bacon

I agree... as long as you are not "hurting" anyone else in the process... eat as much as you want, smoke as much as you want, drink as much as you want.

I'd say he's hurting me, since I'm going to have to pay Social Security, or at least increased insurance, because of people that are only killing themselves. Yeah insurance can probably charge different rates based on BMI or something (until they're sued for discrimination), but they still have to pay out, and those things have a way of affecting everyone.
 

wkabel23

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Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
This is America, dammit! If I want to eat a pound of bacon per day and die with a distended stomach at the ripe old age of 32, that's bloody well my freedom of choice to do so, isn't it?


PS - Pass the bacon

I agree... as long as you are not "hurting" anyone else in the process... eat as much as you want, smoke as much as you want, drink as much as you want.

I'd say he's hurting me, since I'm going to have to pay Social Security, or at least increased insurance, because of people that are only killing themselves. Yeah insurance can probably charge different rates based on BMI or something (until they're sued for discrimination), but they still have to pay out, and those things have a way of affecting everyone.

So what are we going to do about it? Insult fat people? I'm sure that is a viable solution to the problem!
 

Ruptga

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Originally posted by: wkabel23

So what are we going to do about it? Insult fat people? I'm sure that is a viable solution to the problem!

Oh pshaw, where have you seen me insult fat people? :p The point is simply that you can never be hurting 'only' yourself, no man is an island.
 

wkabel23

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Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Originally posted by: wkabel23

So what are we going to do about it? Insult fat people? I'm sure that is a viable solution to the problem!

Oh pshaw, where have you seen me insult fat people? :p The point is simply that you can never be hurting 'only' yourself, no man is an island.

That's why I edited my post to say 'we' instead of 'you'...i was speaking in general :)

and yes, you're absolutely right.

although i imagine a good portion of the people who judge fat folks are too young to care about taxes :p
 

jonessoda

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BTW: I have to say, I am a fatty. But I won't be for too long. You know why?

I've taken a half hour to an hour a day to exercise. Swimming and jogging. Not even every day, either, I take sundays off and will occasionally skip a day. Plus tue., thu. and sat. I go to the gym to do strength training. That part's also important, since muscle helps to get rid of fat. It wasn't hard to find the time, especially since I have friends that go with me. I just spend an hour less a day putzing around on the computer. And there's no need to start hard, too. If you're out of shape, start slow and build up. Any activity's better than no activity, and you can build up to better and better workouts.

And you know what? I'm perfectly happy, I sleep better, and I've been seeing excellent improvements in my weight and stamina even after just a few weeks.

You may have a slow metabolism. I do, too. But it's nobody's fault but mine that I got fat, nobody's fault but mine that I ate too much McDonalds' food, nobody's fault but mine that I spent all my time lazing about, and it's nobody's responsibility but mine to get me back in shape, so I gotta take that responsibility. And if you take responsibility for yourself, I guarantee you'll be happier and healthier in the long run.

here is a good link on getting into running. Starts slow and builds up. It's easily manageable.
 

NL mkII

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I actually think that fat people should be made to pay more tax. they take up more kspace on buses, make it awkward to walk down the street and put a huge amount more pressure on the health service (I'm from UK where we have the NHS). Its current practise in UK that you do not pay VAT on food, I think this should change, we are a rich enough country that noone cannot afford food and the extra cost will force fat people to think twice before eating their way to everyone elses discomfort.
 

dmw16

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I used to be overweight (but never taking up multiple seats). But I'd imagine they feel really bad about it. Frankly, I think this tread is rude.
 

kevnich2

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Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
How come the "overweight" population in other countries is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than that of the US? Stayed in Montreal for a week last summer and it hit me when we hit the first rest area in New York that holy sh*t Americans are fat. It's the same way in other developed countries too...

It could be because we're spending 9 times as much time in front of the TV as we are being active: link. The fact that the average US worker clocks more hours than the average worker in other developed countries probably doesn't help to promote exercise either: "According to statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor, workers in the United States clocked in 1,821 hours in 2001, while those in Germany logged 1,467 hours."

Where does this leave us? It leaves us with a higher percentage of overweight teenagers than in 14 other countries: link.

None of these are the cause of obesity. The cause, as already stated, is a lack of motivation and discipline to restrain from eating way too much and to spend time (and calories) exercising.

The lack of time issue also contributes to more fast food and eating out at restaurants. I encourage all of you to look at the nutrition facts of a restaurant before going there, because the portion sizes are just ridiculous these days. I realized that my favorite meal at Chilis--the chicken crispers--is a cool 1,870 calories, and I used to eat it all. Now my wife and I split the quesadillas, giving us 860 calories each. I also now get a Whopper Jr. without mayo and small fries at BK, which is 520 calories. Not nutritious food, but the calories are way better than the Whopper with no mayo and large fries I used to get, with 1170 calories.

Now THAT is the truth and I agree with that 100% Fast food needs to be not so accessible as it is. I honestly tried picking the healthiest thing from Mcdonalds or wendy's or wherever thinking it wasn't THAT bad for me just because I was in a hurry and needed something quick for lunch. After a few months I decided to do some research for myself and the healthy thing I was eating at McDonald's still weighed in at 800 calories. I researched every fast food restaurant I could think of and same result in all of them. I'll be honest, I don't like salad's. I know if I get a salad with no dressing, it's very healthy. But I'd rather make a nice turkey sandwich on wheat with mustard and have something that to me tastes good rather than having a salad with no dressing on it. US has the most accessible and cheapest fast food restaurants around.
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: jonessoda
BTW: I have to say, I am a fatty. But I won't be for too long. You know why?

I've taken a half hour to an hour a day to exercise. Swimming and jogging. Not even every day, either, I take sundays off and will occasionally skip a day. Plus tue., thu. and sat. I go to the gym to do strength training. That part's also important, since muscle helps to get rid of fat. It wasn't hard to find the time, especially since I have friends that go with me. I just spend an hour less a day putzing around on the computer. And there's no need to start hard, too. If you're out of shape, start slow and build up. Any activity's better than no activity, and you can build up to better and better workouts.

And you know what? I'm perfectly happy, I sleep better, and I've been seeing excellent improvements in my weight and stamina even after just a few weeks.

You may have a slow metabolism. I do, too. But it's nobody's fault but mine that I got fat, nobody's fault but mine that I ate too much McDonalds' food, nobody's fault but mine that I spent all my time lazing about, and it's nobody's responsibility but mine to get me back in shape, so I gotta take that responsibility. And if you take responsibility for yourself, I guarantee you'll be happier and healthier in the long run.

here is a good link on getting into running. Starts slow and builds up. It's easily manageable.

Good job. :thumbsup:

Any dumbass who doesn't bother to find that out before making snide comments about you just shows their own stupidity. And there's no cure for that. ;)

 

NL mkII

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: jonessoda
BTW: I have to say, I am a fatty. But I won't be for too long. You know why?

I've taken a half hour to an hour a day to exercise. Swimming and jogging. Not even every day, either, I take sundays off and will occasionally skip a day. Plus tue., thu. and sat. I go to the gym to do strength training. That part's also important, since muscle helps to get rid of fat. It wasn't hard to find the time, especially since I have friends that go with me. I just spend an hour less a day putzing around on the computer. And there's no need to start hard, too. If you're out of shape, start slow and build up. Any activity's better than no activity, and you can build up to better and better workouts.

And you know what? I'm perfectly happy, I sleep better, and I've been seeing excellent improvements in my weight and stamina even after just a few weeks.

You may have a slow metabolism. I do, too. But it's nobody's fault but mine that I got fat, nobody's fault but mine that I ate too much McDonalds' food, nobody's fault but mine that I spent all my time lazing about, and it's nobody's responsibility but mine to get me back in shape, so I gotta take that responsibility. And if you take responsibility for yourself, I guarantee you'll be happier and healthier in the long run.

here is a good link on getting into running. Starts slow and builds up. It's easily manageable.

Good job. :thumbsup:

Any dumbass who doesn't bother to find that out before making snide comments about you just shows their own stupidity. And there's no cure for that. ;)



I used to take a lot of drugs and involve myself in a bit of petty crime around my local town (mainly just shoplifting as I had little money and needed to eat, and I spent all my money on drugs), I had a bit of infamy about me and then I decided enough was enough and quit it all and tried to make amends. Got a job and even went round to people I had taken from to see if there was any way I could pay them back (believe me telling my parents I had stolen about £300 off them to pay for drugs was the hardest thing I had to do).

People around the town still saw me as the drug addict loser I had been for the past four years. I dont think there was anything wrong with that, how are they to know any different? My point is that people have to go on what they know, sure some people are trying to make themselves better but you cannot blame someone for thinking a fat person is lazy and eats unhealthy food! (I'm not condoning snide comments ever btw, I think any dumbass who makes random snide comments to people with a problem really badly needs to find something more exciting to do with their time)

Good on you jonessoda for making the effort and I hope you get yourself fighting fit, it would be interesting to hear what you think of what I've just said.
 

jonessoda

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Originally posted by: NL mkII
I used to take a lot of drugs and involve myself in a bit of petty crime around my local town (mainly just shoplifting as I had little money and needed to eat, and I spent all my money on drugs), I had a bit of infamy about me and then I decided enough was enough and quit it all and tried to make amends. Got a job and even went round to people I had taken from to see if there was any way I could pay them back (believe me telling my parents I had stolen about £300 off them to pay for drugs was the hardest thing I had to do).

People around the town still saw me as the drug addict loser I had been for the past four years. I dont think there was anything wrong with that, how are they to know any different? My point is that people have to go on what they know, sure some people are trying to make themselves better but you cannot blame someone for thinking a fat person is lazy and eats unhealthy food! (I'm not condoning snide comments ever btw, I think any dumbass who makes random snide comments to people with a problem really badly needs to find something more exciting to do with their time)

Good on you jonessoda for making the effort and I hope you get yourself fighting fit, it would be interesting to hear what you think of what I've just said.

Well, I realize that a lot of people who don't know me are going to see me as lazy and eating too much, and there's nothing I can do to stop that while I'm still in poor shape. That is, of course, just another incentive to get into better shape. Those who know me know the effort I'm taking or at least are seeing the results, so they know I'm not just sitting around letting myself get bigger.
 

Flyback

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I can't sit on public transit seats without taking up two. They are made for little girls.

I get a kick out of scrawny anemic twirps who think that they are "healthy" because they are thin :laugh:
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: NL mkII
I used to take a lot of drugs and involve myself in a bit of petty crime around my local town (mainly just shoplifting as I had little money and needed to eat, and I spent all my money on drugs), I had a bit of infamy about me and then I decided enough was enough and quit it all and tried to make amends. Got a job and even went round to people I had taken from to see if there was any way I could pay them back (believe me telling my parents I had stolen about £300 off them to pay for drugs was the hardest thing I had to do).

People around the town still saw me as the drug addict loser I had been for the past four years. I dont think there was anything wrong with that, how are they to know any different? My point is that people have to go on what they know, sure some people are trying to make themselves better but you cannot blame someone for thinking a fat person is lazy and eats unhealthy food! (I'm not condoning snide comments ever btw, I think any dumbass who makes random snide comments to people with a problem really badly needs to find something more exciting to do with their time).

Being fat and lazy is pretty far from being a drug user and a thief. And making assumptions based on how a person looks? That's just lame.
 

Raduque

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
the hate on this forum is excessive

There is no hate in this discussion, dude. It's a legitimate discussion. Send your knee-jerk reaction to Jesse Jackson, I'm sure he could use it.

I'm not sure if fat people feel guilty over taking up more than one seat, but usually it's not a big deal anyway, there's generally other seats.

I do feel that in a situation where you pay for seats, unless the person can provide a valid medical reason (basically a "I'm fat because of a gland issue/other health problem" note from your doctor) they should be required to pay for as many seats as they take up. Airlines and movie theatres shouldn't be required to lose money because you chose to cram an extra 4 Ring Dings into your disgusting, wobbly face.

The ironing is delicious!
 

krunchykrome

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I'll tell you what type of seats are always cramped. Unless you purchase the luxury seats or Box seats at a theater play, the regular seats are usually incredibly cramped, even for the average size person.
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Morbidly overweight people generally HATE themselves and are that way due to a psychlogical or medical reason.

This is why I have so much contempt for people who feel it's acceptible to ridicule them. Nothing like kicking people while they're down. Do they also pick on retarded kids or kick puppies? ****** self-rightous arseholes. It's easy to mock people whose problems are easily identified visually, isn't it?
 

kalrith

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I'll tell you what type of seats are always cramped. Unless you purchase the luxury seats or Box seats at a theater play, the regular seats are usually incredibly cramped, even for the average size person.

I agree with you there. I'm 6'1" and 175 pounds, and I have a really hard time fitting into these seats. The worst are the older theatres. We have one in town that's like 100 years old and was recently restored to its original condition. I have to almost sit sideways in my seat to keep my knees out of the back of the person's head in front of me (it's stadium seating).
 

kalrith

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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Morbidly overweight people generally HATE themselves and are that way due to a psychlogical or medical reason.

This is why I have so much contempt for people who feel it's acceptible to ridicule them. Nothing like kicking people while they're down. Do they also pick on retarded kids or kick puppies? ****** self-rightous arseholes. It's easy to mock people whose problems are easily identified visually, isn't it?

It's not ok to kick puppies? I'll have to stop that then!

I agree about people targeting the things that can be identified visually. It's one thing to feel a certain way inside, and it's another thing to verbalize it rudely. I feel very strongly against obesity, especially when I see the sad numbers of children and teenagers who are already obese. I don't think this trend will be good for our country or the economy. However, I am never rude to these people or ridicule them or anything like that. I just think it's sad where our country is headed.