Question pertaining to locked thread

[DrMrLordX]

Recently, a thread was locked in the CPU forum found here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2310537&enterthread=y

I think I can understand why the thread was locked . . . I just hope that some of those who attempted some sort of rational discussion with Nemesis1 on the subject(s) at hand did not worsen the problem; furthermore, it seems obvious that the thread needs to stay locked.

To quote what Idontcare said:

I think the over-riding spirit of the topic itself has merit...namely what value do non-contestants find in reading about or watching youtube videos regarding overclocking events? (sponsored or otherwise)

In the world of racing the value is derived from viewing the spectacle as essentially a form of entertainment.

Is that the value enthusiasts want to find in OC'ing events? And if so, how does the OC event sponsor make money off of it? (in racing the revenue flows from advertising dollars and pay-per-view and race tickets)

To date the "angle" on overclocking events appears to be "generate PR, hype about our products, and revenue will be generated by the follow-on sales from non-contestant readers/viewers/attendees".

I.e. vertical marketing...GOOC 2009 was very much an event solely designed to generate marketing for Gigabyte; whereas, NASCAR is designed to generate marketing opportunities for a bevy of companies and products from Lowe's to DLPs.

I think he had a good point, not that Nemesis1 was really addressing it much.

Would it be permissible, at some point, to revisit the topic of an OC contest within context of what Idontcare was mentioning? And also to discuss how the Anandtech community would actually want to see such an event coordinated? I think a lot of us would enjoy an OC contest run by Anandtech and/or affiliates and adjudicated by respected members of the staff and/or community.

I do not believe that such a discussion should necessarily center around an existing competition, particularly not one in which a member of the community has a financial interest, at least not without taking a great deal of care not to turn it into a PR stunt.

 

[SickBeast]

I like the idea of an overclocking competition as well.

Unfortunately, Nemesis1 seems to gather negative attention, and sometimes he reacts strangely when others provoke him or respond to him in an abrasive way. He's actually a great member here.

Instead of mocking his idea, why not make a suggestion to improve it? Did he say that he was not open to changes and better ideas?

 

[polarbear6]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2311289&enterthread=y

there i made a topic in the suggestion box to support you DRMRLordX

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I like the idea of an overclocking competition as well.

Unfortunately, Nemesis1 seems to gather negative attention, and sometimes he reacts strangely when others provoke him or respond to him in an abrasive way. He's actually a great member here.

Instead of mocking his idea, why not make a suggestion to improve it? Did he say that he was not open to changes and better ideas?

Are you kidding? Nemesis1 brings a special kind of crazy to everything. In answer to your question, just read the thread, several members offered criticisms and comments that he just brushed off. He wanted a $25,000 competition that is sponsored by his wife's company, started by him, with his daughter (who put up $2000 of the prize money) entering and stating with full confidence that she will win. Actually, now that I take the enormous amount of pain and effort to read more of his posts, he even wants more of his own systems in there.

My daughters not in competion. I am not in competion . My wifes up todate Desktop will be . I am worried about here machine its early design and its very good. But a 7 year old girl will be operating that PC. My desktop will be in the show . Its competely new design . That allows use of my orginal large core rad . I solved the air flow problem in a big way .

This machine will be operated by my grandson . who is 2 years old now on may 9 . He will be 3 than . Wait until some off you guys meet this kid . He is a jaw dropper. Extremely smart . and HUGH I mean HUGH. He already has a PC does rather well with it also .

If My daughters system win . The people at the event will understand why? Its a class of its own both are . But mine is really good. I can tell ya guys . Because I don't care . These machines have silver blocks and there very good . We will have a demo set up showing how we can take almost any manufactories waterblock and make each and every one perform exactly equal to each other. This event is going to also be an eye opener for many.

We intend on these children winning . If they do there won't be any doubts why. When PCs are compared.

I always find his interpretation of realiy to be very Dali-esque in many ways.

 

[Nemesis 1]

First off that thread should not have been closed . . Look at post above . Were did I say my wifes company putting up $25,000. Everthing I said was taken out of contect.

We have wothdrawn our $$ from event . We got 1 sponsor going to do it . Who has nothing to do with PC industry. So we got the money.

Sick Beast knows a little more than you do and I preferr he keep it that way.


As far As rules . THIS is a PC CLOSED CASE COMPETION Real world . 24/7 overclocking competion.

Many don't see why highest O/C doesn't win in performance class. Best performance gets the 5 points.

Many don't understand why. Case design is higher than Block design in water cooling . OK I can understand this , But at the event I will have a closed system set up . and you can install any block you want on list and get exact same performance at highest levels. That same machine will have a feature that will show clearly why case design is superior to block design . Besting a LIAN LI 500 is gong to be hard .

As far as air cooling we gave it to Block design but points are = to case design , In tie breaker Block design wins.


Memory points still undecided.

Why the points system . Because this is a pc competion . We want every aspect judged. If the first year is a great success . Tell me. Who will want into the next event ?

Vendors. This is not a VENDORS event, But will sell spots and raise prize money and start more classes. Getting . the $ was easier than we thought. probably could have gotten double . But thats not the point. WE the city want CONTROL. THIS is OLD time NASCAR racing . Were ALL vendors have a stake. We know what were doing . We even invite others to do as well . But we GOT our sponsor.

Who gives prize money . NO ONE! We want to build this for our city . Were small. If done correctly and fairly we can build this into a wonderful family fun week for all . Or just compete and leave . But we have more than a year . to put together . I plan on making this an experiance people will want to renew. I know you guys . I know your secrets . I will make this good for all. My ideas are sound . I will not be spokes person . I suck at such things . My ideas prettied up so to speak.

 

[Nemesis 1]

As far as the orginal post here goes .

Ya the PR thing seems to be stuck in many minds . Will I can't help the concept come from us.

We have withdrawn our support. This is now officially city event. I Have claimed and recieved founders right from sponsor and city.

The only product that will be shown at 1st will be ours. Now if it upsets people I am sorry your fav. Vendor won't be at first years event . INTEL isn't even welcome. Hay if a 7 year old and a 3 year old win event . It will be the last time . After whats new is old things get more difficult, The city needs to establish control.

Now when reality hits between the eyes . Remember oppertunities that passted ya bye . I like you guys mostly . But its time to say good-bye. I really enjoyed it hear . Peace be with you and may you prosper in Gods name .

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

^ Nemesis 1 posts

Gold. Is this guy real?

Anyway, I would like to see a real discussion about an overclocking competition. I don't think you need to ask to start one. Seems pretty obvious that his thread was locked because it was a complete sham.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I am still watching this thread. Look . Were do you get off saying this is a sham . Once this is proven to be . What is your post worth? I came to this forum with a concept that we given much time and thought to. I did not no until yesterday know my daughter is pretty smart making presetations. Very well done she did.

All i wanted from this forum was some constructive ways to improve on our present formate . THE formate is not up for discussion . Thats done . But how we award points wasn't a done deal . As I said I am struggling with how to handle the memory points.

As for OUR PCs . I have talked much about them . Without ever showing anything.

Well I am going to show . and I am going to back up every word I ever uttered about watercooling. You will also discover threw this all . I don't lie. Youwill know when ya see me I don't lie. Now in offtopic and speculation I can get way out their but someone has to do that . I am not way out there. LOL!

You can call it a sham . But after the event lets see what kind of man you are . ONLINE!

 

[Kirby]

Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I like the idea of an overclocking competition as well.

Unfortunately, Nemesis1 seems to gather negative attention, and sometimes he reacts strangely when others provoke him or respond to him in an abrasive way. He's actually a great member here.

Instead of mocking his idea, why not make a suggestion to improve it? Did he say that he was not open to changes and better ideas?

Well, I did try to make suggestions and pointed out where the conflict-of-interest arose but he kept changing the subject or insisting on trying to mention competition details that should have been well down the organizational list. To make matters worse, he tried to start a discussion about such a competition without ever mentioning what the rules would be, so we couldn't even discuss those.

I like the idea of an overclocking competition too, but the topic he started on it in the CPU forum was just too messy.

Originally posted by: ganesh1
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2311289&enterthread=y

there i made a topic in the suggestion box to support you DRMRLordX

Thanks for that, though something tells me it was not well-received, at least not be oldsmoboat anyway. Not your fault though.

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
Anyway, I would like to see a real discussion about an overclocking competition. I don't think you need to ask to start one. Seems pretty obvious that his thread was locked because it was a complete sham.

I thought I should be careful considering how the last thread wound up, that's all.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
...I like you guys mostly . But its time to say good-bye. I really enjoyed it hear . Peace be with you and may you prosper in Gods name .

Peace, Nemesis 1. Take care of yourself.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am still watching this thread. Look . Were do you get off saying this is a sham

Um....wait...

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
But after the event lets see what kind of man you are . ONLINE!

Oh. Uh......welcome back.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am still watching this thread. Look . Were do you get off saying this is a sham . Once this is proven to be . What is your post worth? I came to this forum with a concept that we given much time and thought to. I did not no until yesterday know my daughter is pretty smart making presetations. Very well done she did.

All i wanted from this forum was some constructive ways to improve on our present formate . THE formate is not up for discussion . Thats done . But how we award points wasn't a done deal . As I said I am struggling with how to handle the memory points.

As for OUR PCs . I have talked much about them . Without ever showing anything.

Well I am going to show . and I am going to back up every word I ever uttered about watercooling. You will also discover threw this all . I don't lie. Youwill know when ya see me I don't lie. Now in offtopic and speculation I can get way out their but someone has to do that . I am not way out there. LOL!

You can call it a sham . But after the event lets see what kind of man you are . ONLINE!

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

I'm still watching this thread. Look, where do you get off saying this is a sham? Once this is proven to be legitimate what will your post be worth? I came to this forum with a concept that my wife and I have given much time and thought to. I did not know until yesterday that my daughter had been working on a presentation of this idea that turned out to be pretty good.

All I wanted from this forum was some constructive feedback on our presentation format. The format of our contest is not open for discussion because it is already done. The method we use to award points to contestants is not a done deal though, and I am struggle with how to handle the memory points.

As for our PCs, I realize that I have talked a lot about them without ever showing anything. Well, I am going to demonstrate what I've talked about, and I will back up every word I uttered about watercooling. You will discover that through this all I haven't lied. You will know when you see me that I don't lie. Now, when I'm participating in speculation in threads in Off Topic I can get way out there but someone has to do that. In real life I'm not way out there. LOL!

I you can call the contest a sham but after the results come in from the event let's see what kind of man you are, online.

How's that?

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am still watching this thread. Look . Were do you get off saying this is a sham . Once this is proven to be . What is your post worth? I came to this forum with a concept that we given much time and thought to. I did not no until yesterday know my daughter is pretty smart making presetations. Very well done she did.

All i wanted from this forum was some constructive ways to improve on our present formate . THE formate is not up for discussion . Thats done . But how we award points wasn't a done deal . As I said I am struggling with how to handle the memory points.

As for OUR PCs . I have talked much about them . Without ever showing anything.

Well I am going to show . and I am going to back up every word I ever uttered about watercooling. You will also discover threw this all . I don't lie. Youwill know when ya see me I don't lie. Now in offtopic and speculation I can get way out their but someone has to do that . I am not way out there. LOL!

You can call it a sham . But after the event lets see what kind of man you are . ONLINE!

Not going to argue with you about your locked thread, dude. I never said you were a liar. The point is, it sounds like you started some competition, determined the rules, and solicited prize money that you fully expected your own family to win. Maybe I misinterpreted your thread, but that's easy to do considering you communicate in some weird moon language.

Now, a legit competition sponsored by a well-established Internet community (like this one, possibly)? I'd get behind that and think it would be cool to have a thread about it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nemesis, you came to the CPU forum to announce an overclocking contest and made it sound like it was something in which you wanted Anandtech community members to involve themselves.

After replies started coming in, a number of problems emerged:

1). You basically said that the format is not up for discussion, but only after we started trying to discuss the format

2). You are now saying that you wanted discussion on the points system, but you never told us what benchmarks or tests would be run.

3). Initially you said you were going to try to run the event AND allow people involved in event coordination to enter systems, which is clearly conflict-of-interest. Now you're saying it's a municipal event, but people who are involved in event coordination (namely, your family) are still entering systems. This is still conflict-of-interest.

There are other issues but I do not have the time to go back over them right now.

As it stands, it is not clear why you wanted to discuss this with us in the first place when we are basically unable to have any input on anything that I, and apparently some others, would like to discuss. The one matter you want help with is so vague and formless that it is difficult to tell you how to score anything.

Plus, this is all looking like a PR stunt which is okay to discuss either a). with agreement from mods/site admins or b). if you pay for ad space. This is still basically a commercial venture since the end-result is expected to be sales of your custom case and cooling designs (or at least, that's the impression I got).

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

YA I am 58 . I know I lack in communacation skills. It doesn't matter . It burns my ass when people start talking conflict of interest . When this whole formate is about High performance Computing in a closed case . Ever area being judged has to do with performance . Only appearance is judged? That gets ZERO points But gets same $1000 award the other 4 catagory winners get . Numbers will determine everthing else. If you think the guys that show up are going to let themselves be cheated think again.

One thing you can count on in life. You can't cheat an honest man!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
...I like you guys mostly . But its time to say good-bye. I really enjoyed it hear . Peace be with you and may you prosper in Gods name .

Peace, Nemesis 1. Take care of yourself.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am still watching this thread. Look . Were do you get off saying this is a sham

Um....wait...

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
But after the event lets see what kind of man you are . ONLINE!

Oh. Uh......welcome back.

lol

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
How's that?

You're such a sucker for lost causes. :heart:

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
...I like you guys mostly . But its time to say good-bye. I really enjoyed it hear . Peace be with you and may you prosper in Gods name .

Peace, Nemesis 1. Take care of yourself.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am still watching this thread. Look . Were do you get off saying this is a sham

Um....wait...

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
But after the event lets see what kind of man you are . ONLINE!

Oh. Uh......welcome back.

lol

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
How's that?

You're such a sucker for lost causes. :heart:

I got absolutely stuck on two or three of those sentences, just trying to figure out what the heck he meant.

 

[Greenman]

So is his computer cold with solution?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

actually you grammer police need to be quiet.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

actually you grammer police need to be quiet.

The grammer police shot and killed themselves while revewing nemesis1's post.

Even babelfish gave a 404 error when trying to translate nemesis1 into english.

nemesis1 post makes me want to stab a baby with an anti-stab knife.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

actually you grammer police need to be quiet.

This isn't a "their", "there", "they're" issue. I have no idea wtf he's saying most of the time. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but it's true.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Nemesis, your competition would have more credibility if you articulate your posts better.

actually you grammer police need to be quiet.

You'd have a point if we were nitpicking his grammar. This isn't a grammar issue though.

"Once this is proven to be ."

To be what? TO BE WHAT?????

 

[JSt0rm]

nemisis if this is a money making venture then anandtech wont let you do it here without a taste. You should figure out your finances and then talk to the people who control the ad dollars to see what you can do. Of course you will find sponsors who will want to pay you less then what they would pay anandtech if they ran this and you can't do it on the backs of the people who built this site.

viva la capitalism!

 

[DrPizza]

As an impartial person to all this banter about a contest (which I agree, sounds VERY dubious), might I suggest to the other OCers that they should simply hold an overclocking contest at a more convenient location, advertise the parameters for the contest (the specific benchmarks that will be used), advertise on the web, etc. If Nemesis's city and sponsors in his city want to pay him umpteen thousand dollars in a rigged contest so that he can have bragging rights about having the best design or something, that's their prerogative.

As far as transparancy its not up for discussion . We will set it up the way we want .

In other words, the contest rules will be drawn up so that your computer wins, and the only vendor allowed will be you. Sounds like a complete sham of a contest to me. Best of luck with it, although I have a sneaky suspicion you won't need luck (except for the part about convincing sponsors in subsequent years after the publicity you receive is all negative.)

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
As an impartial person to all this banter about a contest (which I agree, sounds VERY dubious), might I suggest to the other OCers that they should simply hold an overclocking contest at a more convenient location, advertise the parameters for the contest (the specific benchmarks that will be used), advertise on the web, etc.

That's the comment I was looking for, and thanks for taking the time to add your more-than-two-cents.

While I can't run an event on my own, I think at least the idea of the AT community discussing such a thing would be pretty spiffy.