Question pertaining to high school drop outs

[Freshgeardude]

even though this has nothing to do with the speech, he just spoke about how it is bad to drop out(no duh) etc.


but my question is, why is there even a legalization of high school dropping out at 16(at least in florida).

people should be required to finish high school. where did the cut off age at 16 come from?


making people finish high school at least may make people change their minds, and not end up in crappy ass jobs.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
even though this has nothing to do with the speech, he just spoke about how it is bad to drop out(no duh) etc.


but my question is, why is there even a legalization of high school dropping out at 16(at least in florida).

people should be required to finish high school. where did the cut off age at 16 come from?


making people finish high school at least may make people change their minds, and not end up in crappy ass jobs.

How do you make it a requirement to complete high school?

What about people with learning disabilities, and at what level? Should minor dyslexia still be required, but slightly worse dyslexia be allowed to forego this requirement?

And finally a lot of high school students need a good strong dose of real world to realize why their schooling is important. When I graduated high school I barely passed. Two years actually working, and then I went to college. That real world experience really really helped me figure out what the point of all those classes were, and I am on course to graduate with Honors.

What we need is a way for high school drop outs to go back and get that education without the stigma that seems to hang above a GED.

 

[0marTheZealot]

We need a culture that rewards education, not a culture that has an almost complete disdain for anything intellectual.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
We need a culture that rewards education, not a culture that has an almost complete disdain for anything intellectual.

/thread

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
We need a culture that rewards education, not a culture that has an almost complete disdain for anything intellectual.

I really think many/most HS students are too immature to put in a true effort to better themselves. Only later do they realize this and regret fooling around. The same is true of college students, only a smaller proportion. This is why college is important to keep expanding and pushing, as long as its in relevant fields and not stuff like exercise science and sociology.

 

[bamacre]

At age 16 is one thing, but age 18 is another.

Culture is not something that government can offer. And if people own the government rather than the totalitarian idea that government owns people, where in the HELL does government get off on telling an adult what to do in regards to the education he/she desires?

Our country has ceased to be a free country, not because freedoms are being taken away, but because they are being given up. Because we don't know what freedom means, we don't know how to solve problems without giving in to totalitarian and barbaric ideas. Through force, we will fail. Through freedom we will not only survive, but we will reign.

 

[daveshel]

How about using the tax system to reward education to the extent that it does procreation: so you'd get an equivalent of the deductions you would get for having children for achieving educational milestones?

 

[alicia]

HI Guys

its true that the drop out is very high. But what the govt is doing in this matter. nothing
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[charrison]

Originally posted by: alicia
HI Guys

its true that the drop out is very high. But what the govt is doing in this matter. nothing
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What should the government do? I agree we should do everything possible to educate our kids, but forcing people to be somewhere they dont want to be is not a good solution either.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: alicia
HI Guys

its true that the drop out is very high. But what the govt is doing in this matter. nothing
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Government is already providing free high school education. The problem is people dont' take it seriously.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

making people finish high school at least may make people change their minds, and not end up in crappy ass jobs.

If kids don't want to be in high school, there is nothing that can be done to keep them there. Making it a law would only make it harder for the ones that want to actually learn something in high school and not be distracted by some miscreant.

Until Mcdonalds get robotic fry cooks... the need will always be there.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alicia
HI Guys

its true that the drop out is very high. But what the govt is doing in this matter. nothing
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What should the government do? I agree we should do everything possible to educate our kids, but forcing people to be somewhere they dont want to be is not a good solution either.

Kids don't know what they want. Why don't we let 8-9 year olds buy their own food? Why don't we let 13 year olds drive? It's because it's for their own good. I'd say, until you're about 22 or 23, you really have no idea of anything in the outside world.

Many High school dropouts think they will be the next Bill Gates or Donald Trump because these people also dropped out of school. Most of them have no idea what sorts of menial jobs they will be stuck doing for the rest of their lives because they don't have any education. Sure, if you want to be an AC repairman for 30 years, then by all means, get a headstart by skipping your 3rd and 4th years of HS.

No kid should be allowed to drop out of high school if they are able to complete it. You can't even make a decent living (99% of the time) with a high school degree, nevermind without it. Hell, it's becoming harder and harder to make a decent living with a college degree.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: daveshel
How about using the tax system to reward education to the extent that it does procreation: so you'd get an equivalent of the deductions you would get for having children for achieving educational milestones?

First people would consider this regressive. Secondly kind of futile as the idiots who dropped out of highschool on avg earn the least and thus pay no income tax at all. In fact recent policy changes are going to reward them with money from people who bothered finishing highschool and college and earn enough to pay taxes. And we wonder why this nation is going down the toilet? We reward stupidity at every chance.

 

[Possessed Freak]

The world needs ditch diggers too.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
The world needs ditch diggers too.

lol Ted Knight was genius in that role, GENIUS!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
The world needs ditch diggers too.

Not as bad as America needs innovative educated citizens to keep up with the rest of the industrial nations.

 

[cKGunslinger]

I'm pretty sure the drop-out age is low due to rural, farm communities. If little Bobby is taking over his Dad's small farm, why exactly does he need Intro to Calculus and Shakespearean Analysis? He'll learn everything he need in OTJ training and real experience.

I'm not sayign this is a good or bad thing, but I can certainly see the thinking involved to letting people who have no desire or need for "higher" education to get on with what they need/want to do, rather than wasting everyone's time fucking off in a classroom for an extra 2-3 years.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
The world needs ditch diggers too.

Not as bad as America needs innovative educated citizens to keep up with the rest of the industrial nations.

Those thinking about dropping out of HIGH SCHOOL are probably not the innovative EDUCATED citizens we should be trying to retain.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

people should be required to finish high school. where did the cut off age at 16 come from?

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If you don't want to be taught by the time you turn 16, we shouldn't waste money trying to make you do so.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

people should be required to finish high school. where did the cut off age at 16 come from?

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If you don't want to be taught by the time you turn 16, we shouldn't waste money trying to make you do so.

Agreed, people that do not want to learn tend to disrupt classes and hinder the education of those that do wish to learn. I do not doubt that standards have to be lowered in order to pass them to get rid of them. I have family members that teach at a high school that can echo this.

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
We need a culture that rewards education, not a culture that has an almost complete disdain for anything intellectual.

Correcting this peculiarity would go a long way in improving the work force, but I do not know how it can be done without tampering with freedom of speech. Pop-culture tends to portray "nerds" and "geeks" in a negative light in regards to social skills and kids are inundated with this as they grow up.

 

[GTaudiophile]

This country needs a two-track system like that in many European countries. Face it, not everyone wants to / should go to college and become a white collar employee.

After middle school (8th grade), students should decide if they want to go onto a 4-year college-prep track towards college/university or more of a service track.

Those that choose the latter would attend professional "trade" schools where students could choose to learn a specific set of skills. For example, someone could take four years of metal working/mechanical engineering if s/he wanted to become an auto mechanic. Following these four years, the student would conduct an internship/apprenticeship for 2 years, perhaps even working abroad in say a German auto plant. Following this, the student would take a final exam, get certified, and then go off and either work in a company like GM or start his or her own auto mechanic shop. Same could go for other professions like plumbing.

Students would win as they would have more options and customers would win as they would be hiring people with some degree of official certification and experience.

Edit: In Germany, this decision is MADE FOR THEM by parents and teachers after the 4th grade. In my example above, I suggest the students make the decision for themselves after 8th grade. Of course, taking the "trade school" track would not prohibit them from applying to college.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
This country needs a two-track system like that in many European countries. Face it, not everyone wants to / should go to college and become a white collar employee.

After middle school (8th grade), students should decide if they want to go onto a 4-year college-prep track towards college/university or more of a service track.

Those that choose the latter would attend professional "trade" schools where students could choose to learn a specific set of skills. For example, someone could take four years of metal working/mechanical engineering if s/he wanted to become an auto mechanic. Following these four years, the student would conduct an internship/apprenticeship for 2 years, perhaps even working abroad in say a German auto plant. Following this, the student would take a final exam, get certified, and then go off and either work in a company like GM or start his or her own auto mechanic shop. Same could go for other professions like plumbing.

Students would win as they would have more options and customers would win as they would be hiring people with some degree of official certification and experience.

Edit: In Germany, this decision is MADE FOR THEM by parents and teachers after the 4th grade. In my example above, I suggest the students make the decision for themselves after 8th grade. Of course, taking the "trade school" track would not prohibit them from applying to college.

They are trying that at my old high school. There is a college track that includes mostly honors/AP courses and a rounded education or a "trade" track that includes auto, welding, cooking, and a couple other trades. The problem is at the state level all students have to take the same tests to get their diplomas. Thus the students in the "trade" track might make it through but its unlikely they get their diploma due to those tests.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
This country needs a two-track system like that in many European countries. Face it, not everyone wants to / should go to college and become a white collar employee.

After middle school (8th grade), students should decide if they want to go onto a 4-year college-prep track towards college/university or more of a service track.

Those that choose the latter would attend professional "trade" schools where students could choose to learn a specific set of skills. For example, someone could take four years of metal working/mechanical engineering if s/he wanted to become an auto mechanic. Following these four years, the student would conduct an internship/apprenticeship for 2 years, perhaps even working abroad in say a German auto plant. Following this, the student would take a final exam, get certified, and then go off and either work in a company like GM or start his or her own auto mechanic shop. Same could go for other professions like plumbing.

Students would win as they would have more options and customers would win as they would be hiring people with some degree of official certification and experience.

Edit: In Germany, this decision is MADE FOR THEM by parents and teachers after the 4th grade. In my example above, I suggest the students make the decision for themselves after 8th grade. Of course, taking the "trade school" track would not prohibit them from applying to college.

They are trying that at my old high school. There is a college track that includes mostly honors/AP courses and a rounded education or a "trade" track that includes auto, welding, cooking, and a couple other trades. The problem is at the state level all students have to take the same tests to get their diplomas. Thus the students in the "trade" track might make it through but its unlikely they get their diploma due to those tests.

Goes to show how good ideas / thinking outside the box are screwed by government rigidity. The "trade" kids should have a different set of test pertaining to the trades they are learning. Of course, this would not stop them from taking the SAT/ACT.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Kids don't know what they want. Why don't we let 8-9 year olds buy their own food? Why don't we let 13 year olds drive? It's because it's for their own good. I'd say, until you're about 22 or 23, you really have no idea of anything in the outside world.

What do 22 or 23 year olds know about the outside world? You don't have enough experience to understand anything until you are at least 30. My dad will tell you that any amount of education is useless on anyone under 50 as they are too stupid to make good use of it.
Freedom is freedom of choice, and that includes bad choices.

What we need is not to prevent them from dropping out, it is useless to hold someone there that does not want to be there. The goal should be to encourage them to go back when they finally understand the importance. We need to not just make it available, but to encourage adult education.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

The Govt needs to provide an incentive to finishing HS - that incentive should be no welfare money or entitlement programs to drop-outs who refuse to get on board the educational system.

Holding parents responsible for their kids truancy is also a positive step. Here in Californaia parents have gone to jail for their kids truancey issues. Forcing parents to be resposnible by forced jail time, fines, or community service will ensure paretns take an interest in their children. Either they emancipate their child or they use tough love.

The Educational system also needs to segragate students after 9th or 10th grade. Those that are college bound and those that want to learn a skilled trade.