Question on the 80GB PS3

[hans030390]

Wikipedia is usually very reliable, whether you like to believe it or not. The only reason you can't use it for serious research is because people can go in and change anything, though it's USUALLY fixed pretty shortly after (assuming you screwed something up). You must be stupid enough to not realize that...you think with ALL the information around the internet about the PS3 that Wikipedia would really have the wrong answer for you? You really think that someone would put up the wrong info in the wiki without it ever being fixed, updated, or corrected? Get over yourself.

Also, I'm assuming it was also too hard for you to, you know, actually test a PS2 game on your PS3.

 

[Stg-Flame]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: BassBomb
This thread made me lul inside

Me too.

I find it hilarious that so many people get pissed off when someone bashes wikipedia.

Oh, and I finally got a straight answer directly from Sony. After finally being able to load the Sony webpage when my roommates went to sleep, I noticed that their drop-down title selection contradicts their chart that lists the SKU in regards to BC. After bringing it to their attention, I received an answer to my inquiry.

Feel free to keep mocking me, though. I have not had a good laugh like this in a while.

You forgot to mention that the the answer you received from Sony is the same answer you received several times in this thread.

The problem isn't that you bashed Wikipedia. The problem is that you came here, asked a question, received the correct answer to your question, and you complained about the answer. :roll:

You forgot to read that I received the same incorrect answer from several different sources. If I were to just look up on Wikipedia and take that answer as the final and correct one, I might as well have just listened to the first person to reply in one of the other forums and stood by that answer (though now I know the first reply I received was in incorrect one).

Originally posted by: BassBomb
It was chaoticpenguin that made me laugh because of his ignorance to the truth we dealt him.

So you "dealt" me some truth eh? To be honest, there was no truth dealt anywhere. Someone supplied me with a link to information that may or may not have been correct. As it has already been stated, information on Wikipedia can be changed at any time and the incorrect information is not always swept off the site in a timely manner. At the time I looked at the Wikipedia page, the information could have been modified and the information given would have been incorrect. It's a long shot, I know, but it is always possible.

Originally posted by: hans030390
Wikipedia is usually very reliable, whether you like to believe it or not. The only reason you can't use it for serious research is because people can go in and change anything, though it's USUALLY fixed pretty shortly after (assuming you screwed something up). You must be stupid enough to not realize that...you think with ALL the information around the internet about the PS3 that Wikipedia would really have the wrong answer for you? You really think that someone would put up the wrong info in the wiki without it ever being fixed, updated, or corrected? Get over yourself.

Also, I'm assuming it was also too hard for you to, you know, actually test a PS2 game on your PS3.

Key word here is usually. Maybe you are the type to hear something from your friends and then go parrot the same thing you heard without ever doing any extra research on the matter, but I am not. When it comes to something like computer hardware that I am unsure about, I will listen to other people, but I will also do my own research based off the replies. I have had several people call me, asking me to build their PC that they just bought, only to find out that the parts they bought are not compatible or that the parts will cause severe bottlenecking all because they listened to one person's opinion and left it at that. If I had obtained this PS3 for free, I would not care. However, considering I payed $400 for it, I would like a straight answer from a reliable source (Sony) as opposed to picking out my favorite opinion from a sea of people who might or might not know what they are talking about.

Oh, and no, I couldn't test a PS2 game on my PS3 - not last night. All of my games are in storage three towns over and I was merely trying to find out if I should make the trip today to go get them out, or head the extra ten miles to my brother's house to grab my PS2 on top of retrieving my games.

And to everyone else, I am unsure why people get so riled up when people do not take Wikipedia as ironclad information. Sure it is right most of the time, but when it comes to something such as trying to find out if a game console is BC after reading through pages of contradictions and indecisiveness, I would much rather rely on Sony (who get their information from Sony, not Wikipedia [imagine that!]) to give me the correct answer than listen to 400 indecisive and possibly incorrect answers. It's a veritable "he said, she said" scenario which I would rather avoid altogether (ironic, I know).

Now lets keep this discussion going!

 

[abaez]

So.. what's your SKU?

And what did Sony tell you?

 

[BassBomb]

Why beat around the bush with may or may not be correct when it WAS the correct information?

This thread should have been over at the first post

 

[Stg-Flame]

Originally posted by: abaez
So.. what's your SKU?

And what did Sony tell you?

CECHL01

Sony stated that the drop-down list to check if certain titles were playable on the system you choose was created for the people who had already cross-checked their SKU against the chart on their website. The problem being that the chart would not load for me last night due to my roommates using the Internet.

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Why beat around the bush with may or may not be correct when it WAS the correct information?

This thread should have been over at the first post

Given the information I now possess, that is a completely true statement. Though the discussion was interesting enough as were the responses directed at me.

 

[JoPh]

does it still hurt to remember?

 

[sswingle]

I really feel sorry for you, if you must go through life researching every trivial thing with so much effort.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Key word here is usually. Maybe you are the type to hear something from your friends and then go parrot the same thing you heard without ever doing any extra research on the matter, but I am not.

I'm the one who not only does ALL the research, but I then inform my friends as well.

I don't see where you get your "contradicting" information from. It's VERY simple and can EASILY be obtained outside of Wikipedia. The first 80GB model had BC. It also had flash card readers (flip up lid above usb ports) and had 4 USB ports. The one without BC was nothing more than a 40GB model (2 usb ports, no flash card readers) with a bigger hard drive.

Or, you could have checked Wikipedia, seen the 100% accurate chart, and even checked the websites that the chart references to (it has little citations, you know). That way, you can guarantee reliability. Some of the websites have changed since they were put up, but it's not like it's just the most popular opinion slapped onto the page. :roll:

Simple question with a well known answer (though whoever got you confused is an idiot), and you had to make some sort of big deal about it first.

 

[Stg-Flame]

Originally posted by: sswingle
I really feel sorry for you, if you must go through life researching every trivial thing with so much effort.

Just know that I'm not your typical "hey this subject looks interesting, lets read up on it for a few minutes" type of person. If I am interested in something, I will devote anywhere from days to months to study the subject. If so many things seem trivial to you, then I am glad to know that some people are content with living in ignorance.

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Key word here is usually. Maybe you are the type to hear something from your friends and then go parrot the same thing you heard without ever doing any extra research on the matter, but I am not.

I'm the one who not only does ALL the research, but I then inform my friends as well.

I don't see where you get your "contradicting" information from. It's VERY simple and can EASILY be obtained outside of Wikipedia. The first 80GB model had BC. It also had flash card readers (flip up lid above usb ports) and had 4 USB ports. The one without BC was nothing more than a 40GB model (2 usb ports, no flash card readers) with a bigger hard drive.

Or, you could have checked Wikipedia, seen the 100% accurate chart, and even checked the websites that the chart references to (it has little citations, you know). That way, you can guarantee reliability. Some of the websites have changed since they were put up, but it's not like it's just the most popular opinion slapped onto the page. :roll:

Simple question with a well known answer (though whoever got you confused is an idiot), and you had to make some sort of big deal about it first.

I am sorry that this turned into such a big ordeal, but I will always stand by my opinion that wikipedia is the last place to find reliable information. Until it is revamped and the user submissions are removed, I refuse to use it. Sure, some of the more popular subject matter will probably be reviewed fairly extensively, but what about the minor aspects of wikipedia? When I was doing research for one of my papers, I had to find information about the Decembrist Revolution [Revolt] and in the two months that I was doing research on it, the wikipedia information changed seven times. That is not something I would call a reliable source by any means.

So when it comes to something popular such as the next big trend that comes out (OnLive looks promising for this theory), wikipedia should have some solid information after a fair amount of time has passed for sufficient inquiry. Which is why I cannot trust that site for anything, especially for the menial subjects of which I find myself thinking about day-in and day-out.

And yes, I shall bring it to my friend's attention that he was wrong. Chances are he got his information crossed when we spoke, but I'm not unwilling to look to the possibility that he was just talking out of his ass. Either way, most of you will still go on to defend Wikipedia and the fact that the answer was presented in the first reply and completely ignore my posts about wikipedia being an unreliable source.

Live and let live or continue this debate.

 

[hans030390]

Decembrist Revolution vs PS3. You tell me which is more complicated for the info you needed. 😛

My personal opinion on Wikipedia is that they'll change things pretty quickly. I threw in a tidbit of slightly wrong information about my hometown (it's just a small little town no one really cares about), and it was gone by the next day. I'm figuring something like the PS3 will get a bit more attention than that. 😉

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

Yea, I should have stated that I wanted reliable information. If I wanted to get someone's opinion, I would have walked through Best Buy and asked one of the other customers there and probably would have received better information as opposed to the sea of misinformation that is - wikipedia.

The chart on wikipedia is correct.

 

[Stg-Flame]

Originally posted by: hans030390
Decembrist Revolution vs PS3. You tell me which is more complicated for the info you needed. 😛

My personal opinion on Wikipedia is that they'll change things pretty quickly. I threw in a tidbit of slightly wrong information about my hometown (it's just a small little town no one really cares about), and it was gone by the next day. I'm figuring something like the PS3 will get a bit more attention than that. 😉

Exactly my point.

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

Yea, I should have stated that I wanted reliable information. If I wanted to get someone's opinion, I would have walked through Best Buy and asked one of the other customers there and probably would have received better information as opposed to the sea of misinformation that is - wikipedia.

The chart on wikipedia is correct.

You obviously missed the last 37 posts so feel free to take this opportunity to catch up.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: hans030390
Decembrist Revolution vs PS3. You tell me which is more complicated for the info you needed. 😛

My personal opinion on Wikipedia is that they'll change things pretty quickly. I threw in a tidbit of slightly wrong information about my hometown (it's just a small little town no one really cares about), and it was gone by the next day. I'm figuring something like the PS3 will get a bit more attention than that. 😉

Exactly my point.

No, actually, I don't think it is. I meant the PS3 is more likely to get fixed if someone screws something up, especially since it's, IMO, pretty common knowledge. Oh well.

 

[JoPh]

wanna talk about the pain?

 

[IEC]

Heh, I tend to value forum research on consumer products more highly than press releases from mfgrs. Maybe it's because even if there's one lying scumbag or shill in a forum thread, the rest are quick to call him out on it and correct him. User experiences with software in particular are extremely valuable in getting the "full picture" on a topic.

Wikipedia is very useful even if you shouldn't fully trust the information in each article. Checking out the sources and following up on the more credible sources is a good way to flesh out your knowledge on a topic. Obviously for "serious research," using a university's library and database access is a better way to do it. For something like console specs the user community is a reasonable resource.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

Yea, I should have stated that I wanted reliable information. If I wanted to get someone's opinion, I would have walked through Best Buy and asked one of the other customers there and probably would have received better information as opposed to the sea of misinformation that is - wikipedia.

why don't you go ahead a show the misinformation atleast in terms for the retail configs of the ps3?

You realize the same table info can be found on the playstation website right?
http://playstation.custhelp.co...qid=232&p_sid=pYv3mOtj

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666
Finally got the Sony webpage to load and it looks like my model is not BC. However, their "Search by Title" said otherwise, so due to that contradiction, I went ahead and e-mailed them. When I receive a reply, I shall paste it here.

Go right ahead and waste your time. Because we obviously all want to lie to you.

Can posting ignorant information by considered a lie? Say you heard something through a chain of extremely reliable sources about the Wii only to watch a press conference with Nintendo and hear them say the exact opposite of what you have been told. All I'm saying is that I have been hearing a lot of indecisiveness over three different forums and it would be much better to just ask the company who produces the damn thing as opposed to try and decipher what people are saying.

Secondly, if you ever try to use wikipedia for any type of serious research, then I can only laugh. Sure some of the information is reliable, but then again, it is all user submitted. You could have one article written by someone with a PHd and then the article directly below it be posted by a high school student. I used to alter a lot of information on wikipedia during my high school days when I was bored and I can guarantee that I was no expert on half of the shit I posted.

Also, during my entire college career, I have been told (though I don't see why it is necessary when you hit college) never to cite Wikipedia for any reason other than to mock it. During my fifth year, two of my roommates were English majors and were selected to assist in reviewing freshmen term papers before being submitted to the English department for final review. They were both instructed to fail any paper that had wikipedia cited in it and after reading the papers of those who had cited it, I can understand why.

If you are one of those people who wants to know something and immediately logs onto wikipedia to find the answer, then I feel extremely sorry for you. It should be a fairly difficult process when someone comes along and bursts all your little bubbles of ignorance.

Frankly - you are ignorant and wrong about Wikipedia. It's a great resource, if you know the definition of 'great resource' and don't think exceptions prove generalizations.

 

[Schfifty Five]

I wonder if Chaoticpenguin666 is this rude in real life.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: hans030390
Decembrist Revolution vs PS3. You tell me which is more complicated for the info you needed. 😛

My personal opinion on Wikipedia is that they'll change things pretty quickly. I threw in a tidbit of slightly wrong information about my hometown (it's just a small little town no one really cares about), and it was gone by the next day. I'm figuring something like the PS3 will get a bit more attention than that. 😉

Exactly my point.

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

Yea, I should have stated that I wanted reliable information. If I wanted to get someone's opinion, I would have walked through Best Buy and asked one of the other customers there and probably would have received better information as opposed to the sea of misinformation that is - wikipedia.

The chart on wikipedia is correct.

You obviously missed the last 37 posts so feel free to take this opportunity to catch up.

This should have been a dead thread at post #2.

Chaoticpenguin666, if you want to ask another question or debate the merits of Wikipedia, which by the way has nothing to do whatsoever with console gaming; take it to Off Topic. You asked a question, you got an answer, and I tried to verify the answer you received was correct.

I personally spent all of maybe 30 minutes doing a few Google searches, reading through the PS3 Wiki, and searching through Sony's database of games to be sure the used 20GB PS3 I eventually purchased off of eBay was going to be compatible with my library of PS and PS2 games. I'm pretty damn well versed in which models have BC and which don't. For the answer to such a trivial question, 30 minutes of "research" is probably overkill, but I spent the time and now I feel I have a fairly solid knowledge base to comment competently on the subject of which models of PS3 have BC. Now, please quit being such a douche. You have your answer to the original question you posed, so STFU!!!

 

[Stg-Flame]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: hans030390
Decembrist Revolution vs PS3. You tell me which is more complicated for the info you needed. 😛

My personal opinion on Wikipedia is that they'll change things pretty quickly. I threw in a tidbit of slightly wrong information about my hometown (it's just a small little town no one really cares about), and it was gone by the next day. I'm figuring something like the PS3 will get a bit more attention than that. 😉

Exactly my point.

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Chaoticpenguin666

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...#Retail_configurations

Yea, I should have stated that I wanted reliable information. If I wanted to get someone's opinion, I would have walked through Best Buy and asked one of the other customers there and probably would have received better information as opposed to the sea of misinformation that is - wikipedia.

The chart on wikipedia is correct.

You obviously missed the last 37 posts so feel free to take this opportunity to catch up.

This should have been a dead thread at post #2.

Chaoticpenguin666, if you want to ask another question or debate the merits of Wikipedia, which by the way has nothing to do whatsoever with console gaming; take it to Off Topic. You asked a question, you got an answer, and I tried to verify the answer you received was correct.

I personally spent all of maybe 30 minutes doing a few Google searches, reading through the PS3 Wiki, and searching through Sony's database of games to be sure the used 20GB PS3 I eventually purchased off of eBay was going to be compatible with my library of PS and PS2 games. I'm pretty damn well versed in which models have BC and which don't. For the answer to such a trivial question, 30 minutes of "research" is probably overkill, but I spent the time and now I feel I have a fairly solid knowledge base to comment competently on the subject of which models of PS3 have BC. Now, please quit being such a douche. You have your answer to the original question you posed, so STFU!!!

Feel free to read the last part of the second page. The discussion died down quite a bit, so there is no need to be so rude 🙂

 

[sswingle]

Not sure what the last part of the second page is. Since you are so smart, you should realize some of us have our settings to show different amounts of posts per page, so this entire ordeal is fitting on one page for me.

And to everyone else, if he wants to spend days researching something the rest of us can find correct information on in 10 minutes, let him. Who are we to judge.