question on speeding tickets with cameras

destined

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if they send you a ticket... how does that hold up in court? lets say that your friend was using your car. he got caught but they send you the ticket. how can that ticket possibly hold up? can they prove that it was you that actually broke the law? cuz if not, than with my logic, the ticket should be thrown out... because we are innocent until proven guilty.... discuss....
 
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Your friend wouldn't be insured with your vehicule, meaning you shouldn't have let him drive it. I'd take a speeding ticket over the fine they'd give you for this one...

Plus, they get your license when they pull you over.
 

imported_xaguynamedguyx

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Your friend wouldn't be insured with your vehicule, meaning you shouldn't have let him drive it. I'd take a speeding ticket over the fine they'd give you for this one...

Plus, they get your license when they pull you over.

yeah, but hes talking about the tickets yor get from cameras so noone pulled him over
 
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Oh, I thought he meants something else...

Still, your friend shouldn't be driving your car, take the ticket you've earned. If it was infact him, have him pay for it.
 

imported_xaguynamedguyx

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, I thought he meants something else...

Still, your friend shouldn't be driving your car, take the ticket you've earned. If it was infact him, have him pay for it.

yeah just make ur friend pay
 

destined

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how often do people drive friends cars... is it really illegal to let someone drive your car if they aren't on the insurance? what if the insurance and registration was in the car?
 

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Your friend wouldn't be insured with your vehicule

That's not necessarily the case.

However, at least with red light tickets they have to get a picture that includes you in it.
 

deadlyapp

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If you take it to court and say that it was someone else driving, they will generally drop charges on you and will divert it to your friend ;)
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: deadlyapp
If you take it to court and say that it was someone else driving, they will generally drop charges on you and will divert it to your friend ;)

What if your friend happen to go out of the country... to let's say.... MEXICO indefinitely ?
 
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They wouldn't drop the charges, they'd probably tell you to get your friend ot pay you back. Your car, your problem.
 

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Originally posted by: destined
if they send you a ticket... how does that hold up in court? lets say that your friend was using your car. he got caught but they send you the ticket. how can that ticket possibly hold up? can they prove that it was you that actually broke the law? cuz if not, than with my logic, the ticket should be thrown out... because we are innocent until proven guilty.... discuss....

The ticket form you get will include a place to indicate who was driving the car if it was not you. They will then go after that person.

 

destined

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how can they take pictures of the drive and the car when it runs the red light. i understand they take a picture if you run the light because thats breaking the law, but they can't just take pictures of every driver just in case they run the light.

and they should drop the charges. i think that those cameras dont' serve much purpose if everyone can say "prove that it was me driving the car"....(along with theh point above)
 

destined

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: destined
if they send you a ticket... how does that hold up in court? lets say that your friend was using your car. he got caught but they send you the ticket. how can that ticket possibly hold up? can they prove that it was you that actually broke the law? cuz if not, than with my logic, the ticket should be thrown out... because we are innocent until proven guilty.... discuss....

The ticket form you get will include a place to indicate who was driving the car if it was not you. They will then go after that person.


isn't that against the law? it should be up to the law enforcement to get their man. they can't just go acuse anyone to get them to lead to the "king pin".
 

Vette73

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I don't know about speeding tickets with cameras, but red light camera tickets are issused for the car, not you. Kinda like a parking ticket. So that way it does not matter who was driving but who the car belongs to, again like a parking ticket. Mind you in NC the red light ticket does not affect insurance.
 

dakata24

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Originally posted by: destined
how can they take pictures of the drive and the car when it runs the red light. i understand they take a picture if you run the light because thats breaking the law, but they can't just take pictures of every driver just in case they run the light.

it only takes a picture if you pass into the intersection after the light turns red. if you're in the intersection before it's red (to turn), it shouldnt take your picture. so it doesnt take pictures of everyone.
 

destined

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it shouldn't be treated as a parking ticket because its a moving violation and a very dangerous violation at that. so i dont' see why there shouldn't be points taken off. that would be dumb of the state.

dakata. i understand it takes the picture after the person runs the light. which brings up my point about why they can't prove the owner actually broke the law, only the vehicle. and that the courts can't prove that the owner actually broke the law, and thus the ticket shouldn't hold up in court.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: LoKe
They wouldn't drop the charges, they'd probably tell you to get your friend ot pay you back. Your car, your problem.

I don't think a single post from you in this thread is correct yet. Stop now, please.
 

Kelemvor

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At least in WI, it doesn't matter who is driving the vehilcle. THe owner is responsible for any accidents or tickets. That's why you should enver let other people driv eyour car unless you trust them completely.
 

destined

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Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
At least in WI, it doesn't matter who is driving the vehilcle. THe owner is responsible for any accidents or tickets. That's why you should enver let other people driv eyour car unless you trust them completely.

so if your car gets stolen by murderous bank robbers, your screwed... :)
 

2cpuminimum

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In most states you are responsible for anything done with your vehicle until the moment you report it stolen. If someone steals it and uses it to run over a hundred pedestrians, you can be charged with a hundred counts of assault and battery unless you reported it stolen within 24 hours of the theft or prior to the attacks.
 
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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: LoKe
They wouldn't drop the charges, they'd probably tell you to get your friend ot pay you back. Your car, your problem.

I don't think a single post from you in this thread is correct yet. Stop now, please.

I'd rather not, but thanks for the suggestion.

I don't see you trying to help at all, and I don't see how I'm wrong.

If his friend isn't insured on his vehicle, why would be be driving it?
 

MrBond

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Originally posted by: destined
how can they take pictures of the drive and the car when it runs the red light. i understand they take a picture if you run the light because thats breaking the law, but they can't just take pictures of every driver just in case they run the light.

and they should drop the charges. i think that those cameras dont' serve much purpose if everyone can say "prove that it was me driving the car"....(along with theh point above)
The cameras also sense speed - if you're driving too fast they'll fire off a picture and you'll get a ticket. They're not universally that way though - for instance, Toledo has many red-light cameras but only a handfull are speed cameras too.

The camera's in Toledo also take the picture of the cars driver (at least for red lights, not sure about speed), so you can't really use the "my friend was driving" excuse.

I'm trying to find an article the Toledo newspaper did about red light cameras - if I find it, I'll post it here.

 

rayray2

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It takes a picture of your vehicle from 4 different angles. Surely one of them would have a good shot of who was driving. *shrug*
 

dakata24

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Originally posted by: destined
it shouldn't be treated as a parking ticket because its a moving violation and a very dangerous violation at that. so i dont' see why there shouldn't be points taken off. that would be dumb of the state.

dakata. i understand it takes the picture after the person runs the light. which brings up my point about why they can't prove the owner actually broke the law, only the vehicle. and that the courts can't prove that the owner actually broke the law, and thus the ticket shouldn't hold up in court.

well, the camera does take a picture of the driver. at least the red-light cameras around here.
 

destined

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Originally posted by: MrBond
Originally posted by: destined
how can they take pictures of the drive and the car when it runs the red light. i understand they take a picture if you run the light because thats breaking the law, but they can't just take pictures of every driver just in case they run the light.

and they should drop the charges. i think that those cameras dont' serve much purpose if everyone can say "prove that it was me driving the car"....(along with theh point above)
The cameras also sense speed - if you're driving too fast they'll fire off a picture and you'll get a ticket. They're not universally that way though - for instance, Toledo has many red-light cameras but only a handfull are speed cameras too.

The camera's in Toledo also take the picture of the cars driver (at least for red lights, not sure about speed), so you can't really use the "my friend was driving" excuse.

I'm trying to find an article the Toledo newspaper did about red light cameras - if I find it, I'll post it here.

that would be helpful. but even for the speeding ticket, how can the state uphold the ticket if they can't prove that you are the one actually speeding...

Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum
In most states you are responsible for anything done with your vehicle until the moment you report it stolen. If someone steals it and uses it to run over a hundred pedestrians, you can be charged with a hundred counts of assault and battery unless you reported it stolen within 24 hours of the theft or prior to the attacks.


so if someone steals your car in the morning and robs a bank before you can report it.. you are responsible? that doesn't make sense...