Question on earphone impedance..

aceO07

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I asked this question in OT and didn't any useful answers to my question so I'm asking here.

I have earphones (shure e3c) with impedance of 26ohm and want to know what is a suitable output level for it. What is the output impedance should it have? I'm looking for a MP3 player and want to find one that will give my earphone enough power. They seems to range from 16ohm to 32ohm. Which is the better one?
 

harrkev

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The fact is that you get maximum power transfer if your input impedance matches the output impedance of the driver. But this assumes that your output impedance is fixed, and you can adjust the imput impedance of the headphones.

But if you are switching around the drivers, then all bets are off, as you could have a driver with an exactly matching output impedance, but the driver is a wimp. You could also have a very bad mis-match between the driver and the load, but the driver is a powerhouse and will rattle your bones.

The best bet is to just try a few. I would not worry much about it though. Most earphones go loud enough to damage your hearing, so you should not be turning the volume up that high.
 

aceO07

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So, as MP3 player only really come in 16ohm or 32ohm, which is the better one? Unfortunately I don't have the chance to test out all the mp3 players before buying. Therefore I'm trying to figure out what specs would bring out the best sound from my earphones.
 

CrispyFried

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Get one that matches as close as possible your headphones, so 32 would be better. As harrkev stated above, either way most players will be loud enough to damage your hearing. The rating is a ballpark figure anyway, the ohms vary with frequency. If the player is high impendence and the headphone are low, the headphones may draw more current than the mp3 player likes and distort sooner, and frequency responce wont be as flat as it should be. If the other way around the headphones wont be as loud and again frequency response wont be flat.

In practice though the variations are minor because there is a large tolerance built in.

 

Harvey

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The impedance of the earphones is only part of what determines the audio output level you can expect from your setup. Impedance is a broader term for resistance that includes dynamic factors, including inductance and capacitance, which can vary at different frequencies, while a strict definition of resistance is refers only to a linear DC impedance values. However, for general understanding, you can think of them as being about the same.

The resistance of the phones determines the maximum electrical power the amplifier can produce. It is determined by the forumla:

P = E^2 / R, where

P = Power (watts)
E = Signal (volts)
R = Resistance/Impedance (ohms)

As you can see, the maximum power falls as the resistance rises.

Acoustic power (loudness) is not the same as electrical power. The actual loudness (in acoustical watts) is also determined by the efficiency of the transducer (earphone or speaker). A highly efficienct earphone or speaker having a higher impedance can produce more audio output than one having a lower impedance, but also being less efficient.

Another factor is the design spec for the amplifier. If your system is designed to drive any load from (for example) 4 to 50 ohms, you can use any headphones that fall within that range. Depending on the quality of the design, some amplifiers may produce more distortion when driving a lower impedance, which is why you want to know the impedance range spec'd for the system by the manufacturer.

Once you know the Shure phones you're considering are within the spec'd range for your setup, the best way to know if you will like them is to test them with your MP3 player. It's simply a question of whether they play loud enough, and they sound good to suit you. Try several different phones in a side by side comparison, and take your choice.

WARNING!!! Listen carefully, and DO NOT play your system at ear splitting levels. You can and WILL permanently damage your hearing. :Q
Originally posted by: harrkev
The fact is that you get maximum power transfer if your input impedance matches the output impedance of the driver. But this assumes that your output impedance is fixed, and you can adjust the imput impedance of the headphones.
That is not correct. The concept of impedance matching is more significant in older transformer coupled circuits and in other tuned circuits, but if the load impedance matches the source impedance, half the power will be lost in the source.

The output source impedance of most direct coupled solid state amps will always be far lower than the load presented by the headphones (small fractional ohms), and they are designed to work into a higher impedance. Essentially, the source impedance appears in series with the load and determines the maximum current or power the circuit can deliver to it.
 

f95toli

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The right answer to this question is not a technical one:
There is no way to tell by reading the specifications.

The impedance is more or less irrelevant in this case; sensitivity (in dB/W) would be important if it was really low (then you need a player which can deliver enought power, in mW, the impedance is not really important since it is not constant); however none of this is relevant when it comes to the quality of sound.

So the answer is, try a few models and buy the one you think has the best sound.
 

Howard

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Damping factor is inversely proportional to the output impedance of the source. Is it necessary in headphones? Who knows.
 

CrispyFried

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The drivers in headphones are pretty small and not driven to loud levels like full size speaker drivers, I dont think damping would be much of a factor. Buts thats just my guess :p
 

Lalakai

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The impedance level will be important especially relating to portable players. Generally most portable players will easily perform with headsets that have impedance less then 100 ohms. If you are really locked into a specific set of cans and don't want to give them up, consider using a headphone amp (small battery powered units that will boost and purify signals prior to the headset). I use headphone amp on my home set to help clean up the signal.Headphone
 

Green84061

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with the shure e3c's they should be driven fine with any portable even a really low powered one you should worry about that. The more important fact is the bit rate you encode your mp3's