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Question Is a 6800GT an underclocked Ultra

RichUK

Lifer
Could someone please tell me with the 6800GT can you OC these upto 6800 Ultra speeds, if so how i can i do this?

Also what are the differences between the two cards? i understand that they have both 16 Pix pipes and DDR3 mem, i am thinking that the only difference between the cards are the clock speeds, the HSF, and single DVI ....

Could anyone please give me some info as i am undecided whether to get a Ultra or just get the GT and OC

also does these two cards support DVI-D, basically does it support digital signals so that it can keep the good quality. or does it just support normal DVI- A

thanks for any input

P.S i did try to google but was not that successful.
 
Thankyou for at least attempting to search.

There is no difference between the GT and the Ultra. The GT is merely a lower clocked Ultra. Some GT's might have slower RAM (2.6 compared to 2.2 or something). but other than that no difference.

Additionally to OC just use coolbits no other program is needed.

-Kevin
 
GamingPhreek - thank you for clearing that up

i see you have posted quote "Some GT's might have slower RAM (2.6 compared to 2.2 or something). " i beleive this to be Mili secs but can this affect performace atall and also what brand of GT supports the 2.2? does anyone know? 🙂
 
First is first. Just get the GT. Even at stock speeds, the GT is not that much slower than the Ultra. The difference IMHO is not worth the extra $100 or so you'll spend on an Ultra.

As far as differences are concerned, the 2 cards are virtually the exact same. Same GPU, same PCB, same I/O options, etc. The real difference comes in clock speed, HSF (heatsink-fan) size, and power requirements. You see, in AGP, the Ultra's require 2 molex connectors, while the GT's only need 1. On PCI-E, however, both require just the one PCI-E graphics power connector (the little 6-pin power connector). The Ultra draws a bit more juice than the GT, but for the most part, its negligable. IMHO, the biggest difference between the 2 is the HSF size. The Ultra's come with a stock mongo 2 slot cooling system, while the GT has a 1-slotter. I took the liberty of intstalling an Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5, which turns the card into a 2-slotter, but that was not of importance to me. The only thing that I would think the 1-slot cooling system would affect on the GT is the overclocking performance, but again, that can be changed with an NV5. Finally, there's the difference in clock speeds. GT's run a core speed of anywhere from 350MHz - 370MHz (depending on manufacturer), while Ultra's have core clocks of anywhere from 400MHz - 425MHz (again, depending on manufacturer). The Ultra Extreme versions are EXTREMELY rare, but I believe they run a 450MHz core clock. The memory on the GT is clocked at 500MHz (1.0GHz effective) for most (if not all) cards, and the Ultra's memory runs at 550MHz (1.1GHz effective).

In terms of being able to overclock a GT to an Ultra, that depends on the card. Oftentimes, when a company makes its "high-end" chip, some of the chips can't run at the uber high speed that others can, and these "defective" chips are oftentimes given slower speed ratings (such is the case with CPU's sometimes). These chips are physically OK, but can't run at maximum speed. The NV40 GPU, which powers both the GT and the Ultra, is exactly the same GPU on both cards, with no difference whatsoever. I believe that some of the GT's are simply Ultra's that couldn't clock to the speed of an Ultra, thats all. You'll just have to try to overclock the card to see what speeds the card can run safely at, and go from there. Maybe you'll get Ultra (and sometimes more) speeds, sometimes you won't. It really is "the luck of the draw". Not to dishearten you, but in my net travels, I have seen about 95% of 6800GT users be able to overclock to at least Ultra speeds, and again, sometimes beyond.
 
The 6800GT has 2.0ns RAM (some Gainward GTs have 1.6ns) rated @ 1000mhz
6800 Ultras have 1.6ns RAM rated @ 1250mhz

Most Ultras also have a GPU tested to run at 400mhz+ and better 2-slot cooling

...but geforcetony already stated this above.

You can find eVGA 6800 Ultras for under $370. These are clocked 425/1100. I think $70 over the price of a GT is worth it.
 
Originally posted by: RichUK
GamingPhreek - thank you for clearing that up

i see you have posted quote "Some GT's might have slower RAM (2.6 compared to 2.2 or something). " i beleive this to be Mili secs but can this affect performace atall and also what brand of GT supports the 2.2? does anyone know? 🙂

It does not slow down your framerate or performance at all. All it merely does is limit the clockspeed the video card can run at. For instance IIRC 3.3ns RAM theoretically maxes out at 700mhz while 2.8 goes to 850.... sorry dont remember the equation so they are probably off.

-Kevin
 
go to Dell, order a 6800 GTO 256Mb RAM.....(350/900, 12/5)

then stick on a decent fan and OC and UL it to 420/1100, 16/6 🙂

i have the stock cooling on it so i only do 375/1050, 16/6......

one disclaimer warning though, it might not open the extra pipes if they were actually physically damaged....some are just impeded software wise......

cheaper than a GT to buy, and goes up to Ultra speeds with a little work 🙂

only downside, its PCI-E flavour only and has twin DVI output that can support the dual link Apple 30in screen (or so im told).


 
Originally posted by: christopherzombie
The 6800GT has 2.0ns RAM (some Gainward GTs have 1.6ns) rated @ 1000mhz
6800 Ultras have 1.6ns RAM rated @ 1250mhz

Most Ultras also have a GPU tested to run at 400mhz+ and better 2-slot cooling

...but geforcetony already stated this above.

You can find eVGA 6800 Ultras for under $370. These are clocked 425/1100. I think $70 over the price of a GT is worth it.

Actually, 6800ultras are clocked at 1100mhz, and evga does not clock their ultra's at 425, BFG does that.
 
Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
go to Dell, order a 6800 GTO 256Mb RAM.....(350/900, 12/5)

then stick on a decent fan and OC and UL it to 420/1100, 16/6 🙂

i have the stock cooling on it so i only do 375/1050, 16/6......

one disclaimer warning though, it might not open the extra pipes if they were actually physically damaged....some are just impeded software wise......

cheaper than a GT to buy, and goes up to Ultra speeds with a little work 🙂

only downside, its PCI-E flavour only and has twin DVI output that can support the dual link Apple 30in screen (or so im told).

The dual dvi is just for 2 displays, it does not have dual link, only apple's 6800ultras and gts, and workstation cards have that.
 
Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
go to Dell, order a 6800 GTO 256Mb RAM.....(350/900, 12/5)

then stick on a decent fan and OC and UL it to 420/1100, 16/6 🙂

i have the stock cooling on it so i only do 375/1050, 16/6......

one disclaimer warning though, it might not open the extra pipes if they were actually physically damaged....some are just impeded software wise......

cheaper than a GT to buy, and goes up to Ultra speeds with a little work 🙂

only downside, its PCI-E flavour only and has twin DVI output that can support the dual link Apple 30in screen (or so im told).

The dual dvi is just for 2 displays, it does not have dual link, only apple's 6800ultras and gts, and workstation cards have that.

what is this dual link i hear you talk about ??? is this DVI -D??? sorry i dont much with regards to this stuff😕

 
Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
go to Dell, order a 6800 GTO 256Mb RAM.....(350/900, 12/5)

then stick on a decent fan and OC and UL it to 420/1100, 16/6 🙂

i have the stock cooling on it so i only do 375/1050, 16/6......

one disclaimer warning though, it might not open the extra pipes if they were actually physically damaged....some are just impeded software wise......

cheaper than a GT to buy, and goes up to Ultra speeds with a little work 🙂

only downside, its PCI-E flavour only and has twin DVI output that can support the dual link Apple 30in screen (or so im told).

The dual dvi is just for 2 displays, it does not have dual link, only apple's 6800ultras and gts, and workstation cards have that.

hmm....well on a thread on this forum about the 6800 GTO that i was posting in for some time, someone there apparently uses their 6800 GTO with Dual Link to run their Apple screen at the higher resolution you need dual link for.....
i suppose they could be lying....but why would they about something like that?
 
Non Ultra has 2.0ns ram, and i think 1 molex (not 100%).

GT has 2.0 or 1.6ns ram as nvidia left it open to card manu's to use what they want, and 1 molex.

Ultra has 1.6ns ram and has to be min of 400/1000 again nvidia left open some are 400/1100 and some are 425/1100, they said to be a Ultra Extreme it has to have at least 450/1200 and 2 molex's.
 
Originally posted by: christopherzombie
The 6800GT has 2.0ns RAM (some Gainward GTs have 1.6ns) rated @ 1000mhz
6800 Ultras have 1.6ns RAM rated @ 1250mhz

Most Ultras also have a GPU tested to run at 400mhz+ and better 2-slot cooling

...but geforcetony already stated this above.

You can find eVGA 6800 Ultras for under $370. These are clocked 425/1100. I think $70 over the price of a GT is worth it.


GT's also have tighter memory timings
 
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