Question for those well versed in Physics or possibly EE

Status
Not open for further replies.

tboo

Diamond Member
Jun 25, 2000
7,626
1
81
Can someone explain to me image(mirror) charges in layman's terms? We are doing an experiment in physics with two conducting spheres & Coulomb's law. My prof mentioned the subject of induced image(or mirror) charges & how they affect Coulombs law when the two charged spheres are close but I couldnt really follow.

Any help is appreciated.
 

Number1

Diamond Member
Feb 24, 2006
7,881
549
126
Can someone explain to me image(mirror) charges in layman's terms? We are doing an experiment in physics with two conducting spheres & Coulomb's law. My prof mentioned the subject of induced image(or mirror) charges & how they affect Coulombs law when the two charged spheres are close but I couldnt really follow.

Any help is appreciated.

Just PM Kylebisme, by his own admission he is well versed in physic so it should be fairly easy to help you out.

LOL
 

futuristicmonkey

Golden Member
Feb 29, 2004
1,031
0
76
Can someone explain to me image(mirror) charges in layman's terms? We are doing an experiment in physics with two conducting spheres & Coulomb's law. My prof mentioned the subject of induced image(or mirror) charges & how they affect Coulombs law when the two charged spheres are close but I couldnt really follow.

Any help is appreciated.

The charge on the charged sphere attracts/draws charge of opposite polarity in the uncharged sphere toward the charged sphere.
 

TecHNooB

Diamond Member
Sep 10, 2005
7,458
1
76
I'm not well versed but I can give it a shot :D

As you've probably learned in physics, the E field in a conductor is zero. The E field at the interface between the air outside and the closed conductor has no tangential component (at least for the electrostatic case, don't know about the electrodynamic case). You can see that the tangential E fields are zero using the fact that the potential around a loop is zero for the electrostatic case. Anyway, the conductor re-arranges itself to negate the field introduced by any charges. If you wanted to analyze the field in the air region outside the conductor, you can place a mirror charge 'inside' the conductor with opposite polarity and that will reflect the field you see outside. To think of it another way, if you place a positive charge outside a conductor, the electrons in the conductor will shift towards the positive charge (leaving the side they left more positive) and effectively negate the field inside the conductor. However, since the side near the place where the positive charge is introduced now has more electrons next to it, the field is actually greater outside than it was before (between the positive charge and the surface of the conductor).

In regards to placing the mirror charge, it's usually more than one charge. The idea is to place as many charges as you have to to maintain zero tangential E field around the interface (in your case, a sphere). I imagine the arrangement can get complicated, but I think the other way of thinking about it should be enough.
 
Last edited:

tboo

Diamond Member
Jun 25, 2000
7,626
1
81
I'm not well versed but I can give it a shot :D

As you've probably learned in physics, the E field in a conductor is zero. The E field at the interface between the air outside and the closed conductor has no tangential component (at least for the electrostatic case, don't know about the electrodynamic case). You can see that the tangential E fields are zero using the fact that the potential around a loop is zero for the electrostatic case. Anyway, the conductor re-arranges itself to negate the field introduced by any charges. If you wanted to analyze the field in the air region outside the conductor, you can place a mirror charge 'inside' the conductor with opposite polarity and that will reflect the field you see outside. To think of it another way, if you place a positive charge outside a conductor, the electrons in the conductor will shift towards the positive charge (leaving the side they left more positive) and effectively negate the field inside the conductor. However, since the side near the place where the positive charge is introduced now has more electrons next to it, the field is actually greater outside than it was before (between the positive charge and the surface of the conductor).

In regards to placing the mirror charge, it's usually more than one charge. The idea is to place as many charges as you have to to maintain zero tangential E field around the interface (in your case, a sphere). I imagine the arrangement can get complicated, but I think the other way of thinking about it should be enough.

I think I follow. Thanks for the clarification!
 

TecHNooB

Diamond Member
Sep 10, 2005
7,458
1
76
I think I follow. Thanks for the clarification!

Essentially, you can find the E field due to a charge when it's all by itself. When you put a conductor nearby, you know what the conductor will do in the presence of the field. The electrons will re-arrange such that the field inside the conductor is zero. Now you have the E field contribution due to the charge AND the conductor.
 

Regs

Lifer
Aug 9, 2002
16,665
21
81
God I love you guys. So eager to help out and to educate us for no benefit for yourself but for others. A complete unselfish act. We should get together and have a drink some time.


Not.


:)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.