Question for the British Citizens here mainly...Britain leaving the EU?

[Remobz]

Hello all,

Please read this link before answering.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/04/opinion/david-cameron-angela-merkel-eu/index.html?hpt=hp_c1


Do you think England has an argument about limiting free flow of "immigrants" into England?

Would it better for England to leave the EU in the longer run?

What do you guys think?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hello all,

Please read this link before answering.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/04/op...html?hpt=hp_c1


Do you think England has an argument about limiting free flow of "immigrants" into England?

Would it better for England to leave the EU in the longer run?

What do you guys think?

I have family in Britian and each one of them believes the EU has seen its best days!!

The country is English and as such they have a right to do just like the Israeli`s and limit the free flow of immigrants so as not to dilute or do away with English people via a mixing of the races!

On that same subject most of the English people are very wary of the sudden growth of the Muslim people in England!

The reason for the wariness is simple....the Muslim people as a whole are not integrating into the English Society very well!!

But just to be clear.....if I moved to a predominately Muslim state to live permanently I would do my best to integrate into that society -- in other words when in Rome do as the Romans do.......

I would not be instituting a different form of Law or how I treat people........yet in the privacy of my home I would worship as I so chose to worship.......that is another subject all together!!

Just like they were very wary of the sudden influx of Polish people years ago....now the Polish people have integrated into society and are mostly accepted as English....

 

[DigDog]

A: no.

 

[DesiPower]

I though Britain was was never part of EU... Germany was the most powerful nation in EU. They don't use Euro right?

 

[biostud]

I though Britain was was never part of EU... Germany was the most powerful nation in EU. They don't use Euro right?

Many countries that are members of EU doesn't use Euro. But UK will not leave EU. If they do, they loose all influence in Europe.

 

[Kelvrick]

I though Britain was was never part of EU... Germany was the most powerful nation in EU. They don't use Euro right?

There are multiple layers of their agreements with each other. The european union as a group with cooporation between governments, then the "eurozone" that encompasses various nations within the same monetary system. There are countries that use the Euro that aren't part of the EU.

 

[Remobz]

Romas in the UK. The gypsies have arrived in numbers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBvG6JOhTs&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBVfswdqiso&spfreload=10

Some also say that migrants (African, Middle Eastern etc.) can obtain EU passports from poor (dare I say corrupt?) EU Countries to enter England as well.

 

[mmntech]

I though Britain was was never part of EU... Germany was the most powerful nation in EU. They don't use Euro right?

The UK is part of the EU but not the Eurozone. The latter is an economic community with a common currency, the Euro. Britain still used the Pound-Sterling.

The EU has long been controversial in the UK. I remember seeing full page ads in British magazines in the early 2000s attacking the Eurozone. A lot of folks don't want Brussels dictating policy to Westminster. Which is understandable.

The two big issues right now the EU's economic situation, and immigration. The first deals with bankrupted states like Greece and Italy, whether they should be bailed out, and who's going to pay for it.

The immigration issue has been festering for a long time. However, it's recently got a big kick in the pants by the Syrian Civil War and Islamic State. Both refugees and extremists have been pouring across porous eastern borders. A lot of Muslim immigrants have failed to integrate. They've also made demands of European governments to implement things like Sharia Law. This is the exact reason why far right parties have been increasing in power and number over the last few years.

The UK is of course no stranger to violence by Islamic fundamentalists. There were the Muslim-Hindu riots in Bradford a number of years ago. The train bombings in 2005, the public beheading of a serviceman, accusations of extremism entering the schools, honour killings, female genital mutilation, etc. A lot of Brits feel resentful that this stuff has been allowed to go on. I can see why there's growing sentiment to close off the borders.

 

[Remobz]

The UK is part of the EU but not the Eurozone. The latter is an economic community with a common currency, the Euro. Britain still used the Pound-Sterling.

The EU has long been controversial in the UK. I remember seeing full page ads in British magazines in the early 2000s attacking the Eurozone. A lot of folks don't want Brussels dictating policy to Westminster. Which is understandable.

The two big issues right now the EU's economic situation, and immigration. The first deals with bankrupted states like Greece and Italy, whether they should be bailed out, and who's going to pay for it.

The immigration issue has been festering for a long time. However, it's recently got a big kick in the pants by the Syrian Civil War and Islamic State. Both refugees and extremists have been pouring across porous eastern borders. A lot of Muslim immigrants have failed to integrate. They've also made demands of European governments to implement things like Sharia Law. This is the exact reason why far right parties have been increasing in power and number over the last few years.

The UK is of course no stranger to violence by Islamic fundamentalists. There were the Muslim-Hindu riots in Bradford a number of years ago. The train bombings in 2005, the public beheading of a serviceman, accusations of extremism entering the schools, honour killings, female genital mutilation, etc. A lot of Brits feel resentful that this stuff has been allowed to go on. I can see why there's growing sentiment to close off the borders.

I would be worried about ANY growing Muslim population in any Western Country these days as well.

 

[showb1z]

It's quite ironic that in the year of all these WWI commemorations, some UK politicians are riling up the British to abandon Europe, handily forgetting all of the EU's achievements.

 

[Grooveriding]

I was born in England and having that citizenship I am quite happy they are part of the EU. It's going to make retiring and moving to Spain easy peasy come immigration time.

 

[WelshBloke]

It's quite ironic that in the year of all these WWI commemorations, some UK politicians are riling up the British to abandon Europe, handily forgetting all of the EU's achievements.

Looking at it the other way.

It's quite ironic that in the year of all these WWI commemorations, some UK politicians are riling up the British to abandon sovereignty, handily forgetting all of the UK's achievements.

 

[Veliko]

We won't be leaving the EU, it would be pretty disastrous if we did.

The immigration issue is an incredibly tedious one.

 

[WelshBloke]

We won't be leaving the EU, it would be pretty disastrous if we did.

If there's ever an in/out referendum (as has been promised) then there's a very good chance that we'd leave the EU.
We are pretty much only half way in anyway.

The immigration issue is an incredibly tedious one.

But it's one that needs to be addressed, if only to stop it poisoning any further debate.

 

[Blanky]

Many countries that are members of EU doesn't use Euro. But UK will not leave EU. If they do, they loose all influence in Europe.

No they don't, just as the US hasn't lost influence in Europe due to its lack of membership.

England sees itself as more independent from the rest of Europe already.

The reason for the wariness is simple....the Muslim people as a whole are not integrating into the English Society very well!!

They don't seem to integrate to much of Europe very well. I think Islam is inherently incompatible with Western values. They do not enter the melting pot with the same gusto others do (and should). I agree that when you willingly immigrate to another country you should do your best to adopt most of its values, else you shouldn't be there. Particularly if you're coming from a backwards nation there is typically not a great deal from your homeland you have to offer in any case.

 

[doubledeluxe]

The Romanian and Bulgarian organized crime and begger problem needs to be solved. European cities are getting downright ugly.

Unrestricted immigration doesn't work if you have segments that refuse to integrate.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I have family in Britian and each one of them believes the EU has seen its best days!!

The country is English and as such they have a right to do just like the Israeli`s and limit the free flow of immigrants so as not to dilute or do away with English people via a mixing of the races!

On that same subject most of the English people are very wary of the sudden growth of the Muslim people in England!

The reason for the wariness is simple....the Muslim people as a whole are not integrating into the English Society very well!!

But just to be clear.....if I moved to a predominately Muslim state to live permanently I would do my best to integrate into that society -- in other words when in Rome do as the Romans do.......

I would not be instituting a different form of Law or how I treat people........yet in the privacy of my home I would worship as I so chose to worship.......that is another subject all together!!

Just like they were very wary of the sudden influx of Polish people years ago....now the Polish people have integrated into society and are mostly accepted as English....

I'm sure that if you actually went outside and started to integrate with society most of your fears would slowly start to fade

 

[steve wilson]

I live in England. The UK independence party is getting a lot of support and the current main party (The conservatives) are offering a referendum on the issue if they get elected next year. But there is a strong chance that Labour might get back into government next year because people are very annoyed with the Lib Dems, most of these voters will go to Labour. People are also annoyed with the conservatives but to a lesser extent. The conservatives are going to lose a lot of votes to UKIP and some to Labour. If anyone is going to get an outright majority it's going to be Labour, but I think it is more likely a split government between mainly Conservative and some UKIP. I doubt UKIP would form a government with Labour.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm not sure that the Conservatives would go into a coalition with UKIP (if UKIP get a significant amount of MPs), the last thing the Tories want is for UKIP to be seen as a legitimate parliamentary party.

Its hilarious how bad Labour is at taking any advantage of the Tories plight at the moment. They should be on course to slaughter them but they seem totally lost. It doesn't help that they have been stripping the party of any talent or personality for years. They are just an anodyne, media friendly soundbite machine right now.

 

[Remobz]

The Romanian and Bulgarian organized crime and begger problem needs to be solved. European cities are getting downright ugly.

Unrestricted immigration doesn't work if you have segments that refuse to integrate.

List of European Countries within the EU.....

http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/w...ion/list_of_eu_countries/list_of_eu_countries

In the past it was hard to immigrate to England so why couldn't a person simply pick the easiest (dare I say corrupt?) EU Country to obtain a passport. I mean how hard is it to get a Croatian passport for example? Or even Estonia?

My Dad has a British passport (dual Citizenship) and I do not. For me to get a British passport I would have to go through a lot of hoops and hurdles (lots of money no doubt) to obtain one.

Might be easier (?) if I just "buy" one from one of the easiest EU Countries to obtain one so I can live and work in England for example. LOL!

Just a thought......

 

[doubledeluxe]

I have a EU passport. I have never heard of anyone buying one. That seems highly unlikely.

What people do is flee from a war zone and then demand protection. Italy has had enough of the refugees landing on their shores that I believe they're stopping them now.

 

[el-Capitan]

List of European Countries within the EU.....

http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/w...ion/list_of_eu_countries/list_of_eu_countries

In the past it was hard to immigrate to England so why couldn't a person simply pick the easiest (dare I say corrupt?) EU Country to obtain a passport. I mean how hard is it to get a Croatian passport for example? Or even Estonia?

My Dad has a British passport (dual Citizenship) and I do not. For me to get a British passport I would have to go through a lot of hoops and hurdles (lots of money no doubt) to obtain one.

Might be easier (?) if I just "buy" one from one of the easiest EU Countries to obtain one so I can live and work in England for example. LOL!

Just a thought......

You should at least spend that 30 mins to read about it. If you have your paper in order it is really not that complicated and will only cost you the (assumed) $150 here in the US to get it requested. Granted, you have to pay for passport pics too.

Source, just doing this for my daughter and her German passport.

You will not be able to buy a passport - you have watched too many outdated movies.

 

[DCal430]

There are already conflicts with the UK and EU. One issue is in the UK, Parliament is supreme above all others, but the EU empowers its High Court, much like the U.S to strike down laws, which goes against the U.K style of Parliment have no one above or equal to them.

 

[KMFJD]

List of European Countries within the EU.....

http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/w...ion/list_of_eu_countries/list_of_eu_countries

In the past it was hard to immigrate to England so why couldn't a person simply pick the easiest (dare I say corrupt?) EU Country to obtain a passport. I mean how hard is it to get a Croatian passport for example? Or even Estonia?

My Dad has a British passport (dual Citizenship) and I do not. For me to get a British passport I would have to go through a lot of hoops and hurdles (lots of money no doubt) to obtain one.

Might be easier (?) if I just "buy" one from one of the easiest EU Countries to obtain one so I can live and work in England for example. LOL!

Just a thought......

If you have a spare $875000 then Malta will sell you citizenship into the EU

 

[Blanky]

My Dad has a British passport (dual Citizenship) and I do not. For me to get a British passport I would have to go through a lot of hoops and hurdles (lots of money no doubt) to obtain one.

I assume you've checked. It seems to be based on your age, but England does extend privileges to offspring of British citizens born overseas, like many countries do. Depending on your age (there was a cutoff around '82 or '83 but I'm not sure if before or after that makes it harder or easier) there may be few hurdles to go through.