Avoid trouble spots is your best defense, because you never know if the other guys carry live rounds while you're shooting beanbags. If you aim a gun at someone, they don't know that you carry nonlethal rounds, they could return fire with real bullets.
Mookow-
Though I somewhat agree with Ronstang and Tripleshot, I can also see that you are honestly seeking advice in this matter. So first up I will say don't have the parties... but you will, so I would advise that YOU not drink and make sure you are the only one with access to the shotgun. Only get the shotgun if you think someone is going to die (I don't mean the party crashers
) and not for any other reason. Have a non-lethal weapon to use aside from the shotgun, such as a paintball gun or Pepper spray and a baton. If you insist on a non-lethal load in the shotgun, use commercial ammo, not handloads (better in court), that you have tested on your own so that you know they will work. Most importantly, work out a plan with your roomies on how you will all react to a hostile situation.
Though I somewhat agree with Ronstang and Tripleshot, I can also see that you are honestly seeking advice in this matter. So first up I will say don't have the parties... but you will, so I would advise that YOU not drink and make sure you are the only one with access to the shotgun. Only get the shotgun if you think someone is going to die (I don't mean the party crashers
) and not for any other reason. Have a non-lethal weapon to use aside from the shotgun, such as a paintball gun or Pepper spray and a baton. If you insist on a non-lethal load in the shotgun, use commercial ammo, not handloads (better in court), that you have tested on your own so that you know they will work. Most importantly, work out a plan with your roomies on how you will all react to a hostile situation.
<< While I see nothing wrong with having protection available, it would seem to me the wise decision would be to avoid the situation in the first place. >>
I agree totally here. There's so many ways pulling that shotgun out can go wrong for you, and you're too young to screw your life up because thngs got out of control at a party. If you absoluty, positivly have to have something there, I'd suggest a tazer as someone else did. They're not too bad, running around $100-200, probably no more. Gun shops sometimes carry them, otherwise you can usually order them online (but I've no idea where)
<< You need new friends..... >>
I'll second that one. Why have a party if you have to constantly fear for your safety?
<<
<< You need new friends..... >>
I'll second that one. Why have a party if you have to constantly fear for your safety? >>
Wouldn't it be easier to avoid having parties at 3AM in your backyard with a bunch of thugs that carry screwdrivers for protection?
Pliablemoose
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I guess my concerns have already been voiced over & over, fact is you-all will have parties, fact is they can get violent (been there done that bought a t-shirt).
Personally, I don't like the idea of non lethal rounds in a weapon, for instance, if your first 3 rounds are non-lethal, you've got quite a few seconds prior to cycling to the lethal rounds, those seconds can be VERY important.
I also don't like the idea of a shotgun @ a party setting, shotguns are used by law enforcement in a setting where pretty much everyone is a bad guy (typically used as an entry weapon into a house full of bad guys). Your party really doesn't qualify as a houseful of bad guys (hopefully).
I do like the Taser idea, and I like Air Taser's better (the ones that fire electrodes on a 15 foot or so long wire & catch the bad guy's clothing), if you do go with the Taser, check your local ordanances to see if there are any regulations on Tasers where you'll be living.
Every time I've used a weapon, (and I've spent a night in jail after using a weapon to defend myself-charges dropped after the bad guys were sorted out, it was funny, the DA ran all of us through the computers-my rap sheet had my name & 1 traffic stop, the other guys had 4+ pages of priors). It turns out the police get real upset if you haven't @ least tried to call them about a situation where you feel deadly force is necessary and you have time to call 911. Be warned, every time you pull out that shotgun, even if you're in the right, you have the very real possibility of having to look the DA/Judge in the face and explain every aspect of the incident, and that you'll be judged by what a "Reasonable Person" would do in the same situation...
Personally, I don't like the idea of non lethal rounds in a weapon, for instance, if your first 3 rounds are non-lethal, you've got quite a few seconds prior to cycling to the lethal rounds, those seconds can be VERY important.
I also don't like the idea of a shotgun @ a party setting, shotguns are used by law enforcement in a setting where pretty much everyone is a bad guy (typically used as an entry weapon into a house full of bad guys). Your party really doesn't qualify as a houseful of bad guys (hopefully).
I do like the Taser idea, and I like Air Taser's better (the ones that fire electrodes on a 15 foot or so long wire & catch the bad guy's clothing), if you do go with the Taser, check your local ordanances to see if there are any regulations on Tasers where you'll be living.
Every time I've used a weapon, (and I've spent a night in jail after using a weapon to defend myself-charges dropped after the bad guys were sorted out, it was funny, the DA ran all of us through the computers-my rap sheet had my name & 1 traffic stop, the other guys had 4+ pages of priors). It turns out the police get real upset if you haven't @ least tried to call them about a situation where you feel deadly force is necessary and you have time to call 911. Be warned, every time you pull out that shotgun, even if you're in the right, you have the very real possibility of having to look the DA/Judge in the face and explain every aspect of the incident, and that you'll be judged by what a "Reasonable Person" would do in the same situation...
Don Vito Corleone
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As a lawyer and a gun enthusiast, I can tell you this is a stupid idea. Even if, in a best-case scenario, the unwelcome guests flee on foot, you can pretty well be guaranteed that the police are coming if you start pointing a shotgun in the middle of a crowded party, and someone is going to jail. You seem to intend to use the shotgun as a sort of riot-control device - you are not law enforcement and have no lawful right to do this. If you are genuinely worried about someone being killed at your parties, why are you having them? And why are you loading up rock salt? To me it makes no sense to point at someone, much less pull the trigger, unless you intend to kill them. Also, rock salt fired in a confined area might be considerably more lethal than what you have in mind. Nothing good can come of this.
<< As a lawyer and a gun enthusiast, I can tell you this is a stupid idea. Even if, in a best-case scenario, the unwelcome guests flee on foot, you can pretty well be guaranteed that the police are coming if you start pointing a shotgun in the middle of a crowded party, and someone is going to jail. You seem to intend to use the shotgun as a sort of riot-control device - you are not law enforcement and have no lawful right to do this. If you are genuinely worried about someone being killed at your parties, why are you having them? And why are you loading up rock salt? To me it makes no sense to point at someone, much less pull the trigger, unless you intend to kill them. Also, rock salt fired in a confined area might be considerably more lethal than what you have in mind. Nothing good can come of this. >>
Shotgun + party = TROUBLE
If the s*** hits the fan, are you going to have time to run and get the gun? If think you do, then load it lethal. You shouldn't point a non-lethal gun at anyone, especially if they come back at you with lethal force. If you're comfortable with having the gun around and you can have ease of access in times of trouble, then 'pump' the puppy and watch the room clear out.
BTW, I think it's a bad idea. It could lead to more trouble than good. Plus, factor in alochol and you just might shoot your roomie.
If the s*** hits the fan, are you going to have time to run and get the gun? If think you do, then load it lethal. You shouldn't point a non-lethal gun at anyone, especially if they come back at you with lethal force. If you're comfortable with having the gun around and you can have ease of access in times of trouble, then 'pump' the puppy and watch the room clear out.
BTW, I think it's a bad idea. It could lead to more trouble than good. Plus, factor in alochol and you just might shoot your roomie.
The police use a sort of beanbag shotshell. It knocks the person over and leaves a big welt, but it doesn't cause any serious injury, unless they smack their head on the way down.
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IMHO, there is no non-lethal use of a firearm in the situation you described. Hearing someone downstairs at 2am and racking the slide once within earshot is one thing. Pulling it out around a bunch of drunken idiots (don't mean to insult your friends) is another. You pull a weapon to defend those who need it when lethal force is necessary. My advice is find other accomodations or educate yourself in the proper way to kick the sh!t out of someone with whatever is at hand besides a firearm.
I'd hate to see you up for 20 long ones (no pun intended) cause something stupid happened when the proper application of a Steve Garvey signature edition Louisville Slugger would have better fit the situation than the Mossberg.
I'd hate to see you up for 20 long ones (no pun intended) cause something stupid happened when the proper application of a Steve Garvey signature edition Louisville Slugger would have better fit the situation than the Mossberg.
Don Vito Corleone
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<< Plus, factor in alochol and you just might shoot your roomie. >>
Another excellent point. Just ask Jayson Williams!
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