Question about womens vs men's tennis

torpid

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I noticed today that the australian open men's bracket was designed so that the semifinals would be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. That seems correct to me. However, the women's bracket, assuming all the seeds had actually won, would have been 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4. Eh?

Is that a fluke or is it always like that in the women's draw?
 

ggavinmoss

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I had this same thought today because I saw that Sharapova (4) is in the bottom half of the draw where as the men are 1 v 4 and 2 v 3... anyone know?

-geoff
 

torpid

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Looks like in last year's us open it was the other way around. It would have been 1 v 3 and 2 v 4. I wonder if they do this when someone is seeded but doesn't play... then they reorganize the chart so that the top seeds have the easier draw up until a certain point.
 

Argo

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I think they actually go by who won last year, as opposed to rankings when it comes to quarter-finals and on.
 

gluck

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Normally the draws are made in such a way that top seeds never clash during the starting rounds. They want to keep the main or top seeded players in the tournament so that the hype is build towards the end of the tournament and the rounds from the quarter finals are always the best sellers. These are tactics that organizers have to employ to make the tournament exciting. The main is always to get the best in the last rounds.
 

bigalt

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From what I gather, they do some randomization in the seeding.

1 and 2 are always on opposite sides, and 3 or 4 gets randomly assigned to the opposite end of each side from 1 and 2.

then 5 and 6 get split randomly, to face 3 or 4 in the quarters, and each of 7 and 8 will face either 1 or 2 in the quarters.

why they don't just do it straight up, I have no idea. Perhaps to prevent the exact same matchups of the top players from occuring each tournament?
 

Casawi

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well the men's draw has 128 players and the womens is only 64 so the men's bracket has more seeded players then the women's thats why iits like that. And the seeding doesnt necessarely go by who won last year it goes by ATP points earned that years basically atp RANKINGS AND WTA's. Any college tennis players in the house ???
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: yassine
well the men's draw has 128 players and the womens is only 64 so the men's bracket has more seeded players then the women's thats why iits like that. And the seeding doesnt necessarely go by who won last year it goes by ATP points earned that years basically atp RANKINGS AND WTA's. Any college tennis players in the house ???

Both draws have 128 players. I am convinced that they do whatever they can to make the high seeds draw easier (or more accurate as stated above later rounds more exciting), but don't mind 1 v 3 and 2 v 4, since it is just as exciting as 1 v 4 and 2 v 3.

I don't know about the australian open, but I know that some slams use a combined ranking, pro rankings plus subjective analysis of their skills.
 

bigalt

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I don't know about the australian open, but I know that some slams use a combined ranking, pro rankings plus subjective analysis of their skills.

Right, that explains why the tournament seeds don't always match the pro toplist, but not why 1 sometimes plays 3 and sometimes 4.

The answer seems pretty elusive, but I'm thinking it's a coin toss for which side of the draw each two consecutive seeds go to.