Question about the history Chirstianity

Azndude51

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So did Christianity pretty much start with the life/death/resurrection of Jesus? As I understand it before Jesus, there was mainly Judaism as Jesus was a Jew. Then Jesus came along with his teachings and stuff and after his death and resurrection, Christianity formed because of him. Is that pretty much correct?

Also, can someone give me a quick summary of the differences between the Old and New Testaments?

BTW, in case you're wondering, I consider myself agnostic.
 

chrisms

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The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.
 

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Christians believe Jesus to be the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Christianity is an offshoot from Judaism.
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

If you believe in the divinity of the bible, then christians didn't make it, god did. Man just wrote it down.
 

Hyperblaze

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Christianity as we know it I believe started with St. Paul (who saw Jesus and made a 180 in his life because of it)

main difference between the old and new testaments.

Old : Before Jesus was born. Starts with the book of Genises. Moves on to Adam and Eve and then discusses their decendants and so forth. I kinda lost interest in reading somewhere down the line there.
New: Jesus is born. Four gospels. Each talking about the Life of Jesus from different ways. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. John was the first gospel written I think. For all we know, it's stories past down from father to son, etc and then written to not be forgotten.

One thing for sure, you cannot take the bible literally.
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Christianity as we know it I believe started with St. Paul (who saw Jesus and made a 180 in his life because of it)

main difference between the old and new testaments.

Old : Before Jesus was born. Starts with the book of Genises. Moves on to Adam and Eve and then discusses their decendants and so forth. I kinda lost interest in reading somewhere down the line there.
New: Jesus is born. Four gospels. Each talking about the Life of Jesus from different ways. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. John was the first gospel written I think. For all we know, it's stories past down from father to son, etc and then written to not be forgotten.

One thing for sure, you cannot take the bible literally.

It actually started with the Apostles spreading the gospel. You can read about it in Acts chapter 2. Paul's story is the background of how he came to believe in Jesus Christ.
 

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Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Christianity as we know it I believe started with St. Paul (who saw Jesus and made a 180 in his life because of it)

main difference between the old and new testaments.

Old : Before Jesus was born. Starts with the book of Genises. Moves on to Adam and Eve and then discusses their decendants and so forth. I kinda lost interest in reading somewhere down the line there.
New: Jesus is born. Four gospels. Each talking about the Life of Jesus from different ways. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. John was the first gospel written I think. For all we know, it's stories past down from father to son, etc and then written to not be forgotten.

One thing for sure, you cannot take the bible literally.

It actually started with the Apostles spreading the gospel. You can read about it in Acts chapter 2. Paul's story is the background of how he came to believe in Jesus Christ.

woops...forgot about the Acts.

Yeah...the apostle did their fair share of preaching too.
 

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Originally posted by: Azndude51
So did Christianity pretty much start with the life/death/resurrection of Jesus? As I understand it before Jesus, there was mainly Judaism as Jesus was a Jew. Then Jesus came along with his teachings and stuff and after his death and resurrection, Christianity formed because of him. Is that pretty much correct?

Also, can someone give me a quick summary of the differences between the Old and New Testaments?

BTW, in case you're wondering, I consider myself agnostic.


Christianity started in Genesis. The Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) were united as one God from the beginning. Jesus was God made man to show us how to live our lives, and how to serve others, and how to take death. The new testament is about Jesus' life, teachings and much more (revelation etc). If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was payment for all the sins of mankind, for all time (future and past).
 

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Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

Oh, so is the Old Testament like the Jewish bible?
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: Azndude51
Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

Oh, so is the Old Testament like the Jewish bible?

The Torah is the "Jewish Bible," it is the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Azndude51
Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

Oh, so is the Old Testament like the Jewish bible?

Old Testament = Tanakh = Torah (first five books) + (Old Testament - Torah)
 

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Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as their God and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not God. Thus, both the Torah and the Gospels are believed to be based upon divine revelation, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years). Muslims revere the Qur'an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity.

Evolution of religion: Jewish -> Christianity -> Islam :)
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as their God and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not God. Thus, both the Torah and the Gospels are believed to be based upon divine revelation, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years). Muslims revere the Qur'an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity.

Evolution of religion: Jewish -> Christianity -> Islam :)

I think you mean Muhammad stole the idea of Christianity to start his own religion in a time where Zoroastrianism was gaining power and he realized he can start his own shiz and make bank off it. This was my thesis in 7th century History class in college. I think the professor (who was Arab) really wanted to behead me. I miraculously evaded the class with a B-.

Some Christians also believe Muhammad was visited by the devil, not Gabriel. It is believed that true prophets of God make contact directly with Him, and that it was prophecized that the devil will preach his word disguised as an angel.
 
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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Stunt
Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as their God and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not God. Thus, both the Torah and the Gospels are believed to be based upon divine revelation, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years). Muslims revere the Qur'an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity.

Evolution of religion: Jewish -> Christianity -> Islam :)

I think you mean Muhammad stole the idea of Christianity to start his own religion in a time where Zoroastrianism was gaining power and he realized he can start his own shiz and make bank off it. This was my thesis in 7th century History class in college. I think the professor (who was Arab) really wanted to behead me. I miraculously evaded the class with a B-.

Some Christians also believe Muhammad was visited by the devil, not Gabriel. It is believed that true prophets of God make contact directly with Him, and that it was prophecized that the devil will preach his word disguised as an angel.

*pulls out lawnchair and popcorn*
 

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You came to the right place to get this question answered correctly ;)
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Stunt
Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as their God and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not God. Thus, both the Torah and the Gospels are believed to be based upon divine revelation, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years). Muslims revere the Qur'an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity.

Evolution of religion: Jewish -> Christianity -> Islam :)
I think you mean Muhammad stole the idea of Christianity to start his own religion in a time where Zoroastrianism was gaining power and he realized he can start his own shiz and make bank off it. This was my thesis in 7th century History class in college. I think the professor (who was Arab) really wanted to behead me. I miraculously evaded the class with a B-.

Some Christians also believe Muhammad was visited by the devil, not Gabriel. It is believed that true prophets of God make contact directly with Him, and that it was prophecized that the devil will preach his word disguised as an angel.
Playing devil's advocate:

Could you not replace Muhammad with Jesus and Christianity with Judaism and effectively make the same criticisms?
 

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Keep in mind that the first books written of the New Testament didn't even show up until at least 40 years after Christ was crucified. Think everything was recorded accurately? I don't think so......

Not to mention that a major early driving force in Christianity was Paul who never even met Christ. Christ came to him in a dream and told him to spread his message.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Azndude51
Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

Oh, so is the Old Testament like the Jewish bible?

Old Testament = Tanakh = Torah (first five books) + (Old Testament - Torah)

Tanakh = Torah, Navi'im, Ketuvim (Hence the name Tanakh).
However, Jews believe that the Oral Law of the Mishnah (and thereby the Talmud) is part of Torah as well.
 

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Christianity started in Genesis. The Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) were united as one God from the beginning. Jesus was God made man to show us how to live our lives, and how to serve others, and how to take death. The new testament is about Jesus' life, teachings and much more (revelation etc). If you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was payment for all the sins of mankind, for all time (future and past).

Not sure which version of the Bible you are reading, but please point me to the section of Genesis, or the entire Old Testament for that matter, which refers to the Holy Trinity...from what I understand, its simply never mentioned. Interpreting its presence is the source of many an argument, but at least regarding ink (or other medium) to paper (scroll whatever)...it's never mentioned. IN FACT, I will take this one step further...can you point me to any section of the New Testament which mentions the "Holy Trinity"?? I am quite sure it's not there either. (i.e. Man decided this was the case)

In my readings on the subject, it was man who came up with the concept to accomodate the fact that certain sects of Christianity (Arianism for one) were worshipping Jesus (man/prophet) and God as seperates (oops idolatry). In fact, the Council of Nicea (Emperor Constantine says to the parties involved "You guys are ruining my empire with all this in-fighting...figure it out..and NOW") was convened to hash out these differences (among others). The dogma of Jesus being "begotten" (not made....Nicene creed) from the father was officially committed as canonical in 325.

Regarding the OP :

Christians central belief is that of Jesus Christ being the son of God, part of the Holy Trinity (essentially son of god, and god...one in the same). Those that want to be attain salvation through the lord must accept Jesus Christ as their savior and recognize he is one in the lord. The different iterations of Christianity stick to this concept with varying amounts of fervor (Baptists are much more about being "saved" than Catholics etc.) so to speak, but the central message is pretty much the same. The differences lie in the hierarchy of the human church, who is in control etc (Pope vs Ministers vs Congregation etc). Also keep in mind that those who believe in Christianity (at its core) believe that those who do not accept Jesus as their savior are destined to spend an eternity in Gods absence (hell so to speak).

This history of the bible is quite a complicated one, so the question you pose is prone to open the proverbial "can-o-worms"...you will get differing versions from pretty much every post. From what I have read, the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) is the basis of the old testament, and consists of 3 parts

Torah (Teachings)
Nevi'im (Prophets)
Ketuvim (Writings)

However, the Christian Old Testament differs slightly from the Hebrew Bible in that the books are in a slightly different order. The interpretations therein are obviously different as well. The fundemental difference with Christianity is that it added the New Testament to the Hebrew Scriptures, which centered around the life, and death, of Jesus...his teachings, and the writings of his apostles. It contains 27 books, originally written in some form of Greek, with Jesus as its central character.

The Catholic Encyclopedia itself challenges the notion that the New Testament existed during apostolic times...admitting it has no foundation in history. The canon therein was developed over time (Ecumenical Councils) until it was made into how it stands today. However you feel about how these teachings came about will ultimately shape your belief system, whatever that ends up becoming.

My suggestion..READ READ READ READ READ READ...

It blows my mind that some (most?) people who follow these teachings have no real grasp of where they came from (or "who" made them)...which to me is absolutely mind boggling. If you chose to follow the teachings after you have knowledge of how they came about, thats much more admirable than doing so because you were told to do so...but thats a topic in and of itself. I have zero problem with those who are religious (you will likely find the exact opposite oddly enough of them to me) as its inherently a peaceful set of guidelines to follow. The attrocities of the past carried out in the name of religion are not religion itself, but people abusing it for their own personal gain. My daughter and son go to church with their grandparents all the time, I have zero problems with this. They will, however, be able to make up their own minds when they are of sound mind to do so (they are 3 and 1 respectively).

For reference, I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic grade school and high school...and consider myself an atheist

EDIT: Spelling and edited a bit.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Stunt
Muslims believe that the Jewish God is the same as their God and that Jesus is a divinely inspired prophet, but not God. Thus, both the Torah and the Gospels are believed to be based upon divine revelation, but Muslims believe them to have been corrupted (both accidentally through errors in transmission and intentionally by Jews and Christians over the years). Muslims revere the Qur'an as the final uncorrupted word of God brought through the last prophet, Muhammad, and Islam is viewed as a final correction of Judaism and Christianity.

Evolution of religion: Jewish -> Christianity -> Islam :)
I think you mean Muhammad stole the idea of Christianity to start his own religion in a time where Zoroastrianism was gaining power and he realized he can start his own shiz and make bank off it. This was my thesis in 7th century History class in college. I think the professor (who was Arab) really wanted to behead me. I miraculously evaded the class with a B-.

Some Christians also believe Muhammad was visited by the devil, not Gabriel. It is believed that true prophets of God make contact directly with Him, and that it was prophecized that the devil will preach his word disguised as an angel.
Playing devil's advocate:

Could you not replace Muhammad with Jesus and Christianity with Judaism and effectively make the same criticisms?

Not as effectively as you can with Muhammad. The Messiah is prophesized in the Tanakh. Christians believe He is the Messiah. For whatever reasons the Jewish leadership rejected Jesus, partially because it would destroy Jewry and they would be out of a job.

However, with Muhammad, it's pretty damn clear. He was approached by an "angel" of God, not directly by Him. This is the biggest red flag. Second, he was a merchant who wanted more money/power and saw that religion at the time was a great way of doing it. At the time in his area Zoroastrianism was getting the most attention and booty, and he made his own religion to try to copy the success of it. I mean the guy spread the word by the sword, which God never condones nor urges in any texts.

Disclaimer: this shvt is all my personal speculation. I might not even really believe it, it's just a possible theory i have. I am representing neither a church or religion; it is a purely scholarly/academic theory I have based on facts (and partially biased faith).
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Azndude51
Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

Oh, so is the Old Testament like the Jewish bible?

Old Testament = Tanakh = Torah (first five books) + (Old Testament - Torah)

Tanakh = Torah, Navi'im, Ketuvim (Hence the name Tanakh).
However, Jews believe that the Oral Law of the Mishnah (and thereby the Talmud) is part of Torah as well.

Yea, well it's been a while since my Jewish Studies class in college.
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Azndude51
Originally posted by: chrisms
The New Testement is the addition Christians made, and the entire thing ended up being called the bible. Christianity did of course come about because of Jesus, Jews believe a Messiah was to come but did not believe it was him. Those Jews that did believe turned into Christians.

Oh, so is the Old Testament like the Jewish bible?

Old Testament = Tanakh = Torah (first five books) + (Old Testament - Torah)

Tanakh = Torah, Navi'im, Ketuvim (Hence the name Tanakh).
However, Jews believe that the Oral Law of the Mishnah (and thereby the Talmud) is part of Torah as well.
Yea, well it's been a while since my Jewish Studies class in college.
Thankfully you have me here to help you. ;)
I studied in a Rabbincal Seminary for quite a few years.