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Question about NFR copy of Vista

stogez

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Not sure about the legal aspects of this so I figured I'd post and see if someone can tell me for sure.
Is it "legal" to trade NFR software (Vista Ultimate) for something else? No cash will be exchanged. The copy has a valid unused key and COA. Wasn't sure if that falls under "resale."

Any suggestions/comments are appreciated.
 
Originally posted by: stogez
Not sure about the legal aspects of this so I figured I'd post and see if someone can tell me for sure.
Is it "legal" to trade NFR software (Vista Ultimate) for something else? No cash will be exchanged. The copy has a valid unused key and COA. Wasn't sure if that falls under "resale."

Any suggestions/comments are appreciated.

There is a reason that AT, FW, and others dont allow trading of NFR softare:

"No sales or trades of Academic or NFR (Not For Resale / Retail distribution) software. If you are caught selling or trading this type of software you will be suspended or permanently banned at our discretion."

NFR software is has a license granted to whom the vendor gives it to. It can not be transfered for gain (trading is considered gain). I believe you're free to give it away (donate) (and no, you can't give it away only if the other person 'gives something away to you in exchange). That violates the IRS definition of donation...

 
I would say no. The US government has pretty much determined that trading goods is the same as selling, at least as far as tax purposes go.
 
Got it!
Thanks guys. I was aware of the rules but wasn't sure of the actual legal reasons. Good thing I asked 🙂
 
Hey, well, there you go, question answered.

And, on that note, I'll be more the happy to receive your Windows Vista Ultimate donation 😉
 
As far as I know the "legality" of selling NFR software (software that you received as a gift but did NOT sign any agreement with the software vendor) has never been tested in court. Microsoft has sued folks over NFD (not for distribution) software where the recipient signed an agreement with Microsoft over distribution, and that seems to be enforceable. In any case, most software licensing and sales issues are contractual issues that are decided in lawsuits and not in criminal court.

There has been at least on MAJOR software reseller that was selling NFR-version Microsoft Server software. Microsoft knew about it and didn't seem to take any legal action. But Microsoft, obviously, has other potential avenues available to it to apply pressure to a large software reseller.

From a real-life standpoint, most auction houses and other venues attempt to ban the sale of NFR software. In many cases, though, simply removing a sticker on a box makes it near-impossible to determine whether it's NFR or not.

Microsoft employees that I've queried over the years usually reply this way about NFR:
"Do anything you want with it, but we don't want to see a sales invoice with it listed".

As for me:
I take it for what the sticker says. I don't sell it. I do give it to my clients sometimes, or I use it in my office. Frankly, there are even questions about that, since older Microsoft EULAs stated that NFR was "only for testing and evaluation". The latest Vista EULA, as I recall, has changed that and allows NFR software to actually be "used".
 
Thanks for your info RebateMonger. This Vista is from the RetailEdge bundle that I'm sure everyone is familiar with. I already have Vista Ultimate running on the comps I actually want it on. I really have no need for this copy but I am just too cheap to actually "donate" it 🙁
In a way I did pay for it since it was part of the bundle that I purchased aside from the fact that it was highly discounted.
@ Raduque: If only I was that nice! 🙂
 
Originally posted by: stogez
Thanks for your info RebateMonger. This Vista is from the RetailEdge bundle that I'm sure everyone is familiar with.
I haven't seen that bundle hands-on, but something like that would almost certainly be NFR.

As I stated, Microsoft's EULA says you can't sell it. There's likely no "law" against selling it, but you'd probably be in violation of a real or implied contract with Microsoft. Microsoft has a lot of weight in courts nowadays. That's why auction houses and such don't want to deal with the NFR stuff.

And, just because you paid for it doesn't change whether it's NFR or not. You paid for a package that included an NFR version of the software, along with lots of other stuff that made it a good deal.

Finally, if it includes a COA sticker, then it's the OEM version. That's what I'd expect to see in a "System Builder" type of gift. OEM Vista Ultimate what I got at the Intel/Vista System Builder meetings last fall.
 
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