question about IQ tests

StevenYoo

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I just recently took an IQ test, and my resulting IQ was higher than what I had gotten as a kid. (by 10-15 points)

I figure that the IQ test you take as a kid is a better measure of innate intelligence, and that any IQ test you take as an adult will depend on your education.

Is IQ a measure of innate intelligence or a combination of innate and acquired? Is it normal for it to increase as one gets older (and presumably, as one learns more stuff from school)?

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Carbo

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If you need to ask that question then your IQ must be getting lower.
 

HannibalX

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IQ tests are subjective nonsense. They rely on attained knowledge rather than actual thinking power. Don't believe me? Take an IQ test in a language you don't speak - see how well you do.
 

olds

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As a test, you can lower your IQ on purpose so you have a reference. To do so, just read some of mjuszczak's posts.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
There are tests that really solely on identifying patterns which would not rely on education.

I took one of those about 15 years ago. It was exhausting- took like 3 hours to finish (it was a clinical study in our schools Psych dept.). Not something I'd like to do again.
 

compman25

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
As a test, you can lower your IQ on purpose so you have a reference. To do so, just read some of mjuszczak's posts.

that's pretty funny. :thumbsup:
 

Whisper

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IQ is generally a stable characteristic over the lifespan after the age of five/six or so. Anytime a significant increase has happened that I've seen, it's usually been in the nonverbal area, and is sometimes due to neurodevelopment and overall increased maturity and attentional ability.
 

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If you took an online test then for sure you will get 20 to 30 points higher than those taken in a control environment. This was the case for me and a few people I know.
 

Andy22

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Most online tests are going to be higher because they try to sell you the results. I mean...how many would they sell if the the teaser results were "hey you are mentally retarded...would you like a specific break down of your retardation?"
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
IQ tests are subjective nonsense. They rely on attained knowledge rather than actual thinking power. Don't believe me? Take an IQ test in a language you don't speak - see how well you do.

Proper IQ tests usually involve things outside the language.

 

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Originally posted by: Andy22
Most online tests are going to be higher because they try to sell you the results. I mean...how many would they sell if the the teaser results were "hey you are mentally retarded...would you like a specific break down of your retardation?"

LMAO, i used to be curious as to how high my IQ is but now I just don't care
 

lyssword

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I scored 147 on Tickle SuperIQ thing, the key is to answer questions fast. I do agree that most IQ tests have more than 50% of questions based on knowledge, I guess they measure how fast you can access the knowledge and apply it. There was another IQ test and it had questions about some who some semi-famous American writer was, and I didn't know the answer because I didn't grow up in U.S.

As to OP's question, yeah it's probably possible to increase your IQ by 10+ points if as a kid you didn't know square roots, or Pythagorean theorem on the math questions.
 
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You're asking some difficult questions, but I'll try to give you some basic answers. If you're really interested I can recommend a couple dozen good books to let you get a better handle on it.

IQ isn't really understood by many outside of academia. It gets tossed around and used incorrectly quite a bit. IQ, in its most correct usage, is a measure of 'g', which is a mental ability underlying all (or at least most) forms of cognition. There are a number of different tests available, each with certain benefits and hindrances. Outside of the Stanford-Binet (which is an entirely different type of test) the most important difference in tests is their 'g-loading', which relates to how much the test accounts for innate 'g' instead of acquired knowledge or specific areas of strength. In a highly 'g-loaded' test the distribution of scores across all tested areas will remain largely constant, indicating a single underlying factor. Good IQ tests have almost nothing to do with acquired knowledge.

Since you are in America I would assume you took the WISC as a child, though if you're old enough it might have been a Stanford-Binet. If you took the SB you have your answer, as it's an entirely different kind of test than others. The SB compares your actual knowledge with your chronological age against a baseline. It is a 16sd scale and is relatively un-g-loaded. If you took the WISC you still have your answer, because the testing for children is different than the testing for adults. This is to account for psychological/cognitive development which occurs in children at different ages, and is wholly different than the testing available for adults (the WAIS). It is completely common to see a 1sd disparity between WISC and WAIS scores.

It is more unusual for scores to increase when using the same test throughout one's adult lifetime, but it can still happen. In order to account for the Flynn effect tests are restandardized about every ten years. This can cause a disparity between the different test version results. Many kinds of brain injury or issues can alter ones performance on IQ tests. It is also possible to train one's 'g' within about 1sd (or in very rare cases 2sds) through careful targeting of specific skill areas.

If you want to be as sure as possible about your IQ I would recommend multiple tests every 10 years over 30 years. This should allow you to establish with confidence exactly where you are. I would recommend at least the WAIS, Cattell, Raven, and one of the larger non-verbals.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You're asking some difficult questions, but I'll try to give you some basic answers. If you're really interested I can recommend a couple dozen good books to let you get a better handle on it.

IQ isn't really understood by many outside of academia. It gets tossed around and used incorrectly quite a bit. IQ, in its most correct usage, is a measure of 'g', which is a mental ability underlying all (or at least most) forms of cognition. There are a number of different tests available, each with certain benefits and hindrances. Outside of the Stanford-Binet (which is an entirely different type of test) the most important difference in tests is their 'g-loading', which relates to how much the test accounts for innate 'g' instead of acquired knowledge or specific areas of strength. In a highly 'g-loaded' test the distribution of scores across all tested areas will remain largely constant, indicating a single underlying factor. Good IQ tests have almost nothing to do with acquired knowledge.

Since you are in America I would assume you took the WISC as a child, though if you're old enough it might have been a Stanford-Binet. If you took the SB you have your answer, as it's an entirely different kind of test than others. The SB compares your actual knowledge with your chronological age against a baseline. It is a 16sd scale and is relatively un-g-loaded. If you took the WISC you still have your answer, because the testing for children is different than the testing for adults. This is to account for psychological/cognitive development which occurs in children at different ages, and is wholly different than the testing available for adults (the WAIS). It is completely common to see a 1sd disparity between WISC and WAIS scores.

It is more unusual for scores to increase when using the same test throughout one's adult lifetime, but it can still happen. In order to account for the Flynn effect tests are restandardized about every ten years. This can cause a disparity between the different test version results. Many kinds of brain injury or issues can alter ones performance on IQ tests. It is also possible to train one's 'g' within about 1sd (or in very rare cases 2sds) through careful targeting of specific skill areas.

If you want to be as sure as possible about your IQ I would recommend multiple tests every 10 years over 30 years. This should allow you to establish with confidence exactly where you are. I would recommend at least the WAIS, Cattell, Raven, and one of the larger non-verbals.

Actually, the current Stanford-Binet (SB5) has a standard deviation of 15, as it was changed largely in an attempt to become more uniform with other instruments that use standard scores with a mean of 100, such as the WAIS and WISC. As for g, the SB--just like the WAIS--taps into it, if you ascribe to the Spearman two-factor or Cattell-Horn-Carroll three-factor theory of intelligence. The SB and WAIS both produce very similar scores, although there are some differences between the two.

Regarding differences between WISC and WAIS results, they are usually relatively small, as IQ tends to be fairly consistent across the lifespan after a certain age (from around 5-6 years onward, I believe). There technically shouldn't be much change moving from SB to WISC or SB to WAIS, either, as they all have fairly high correlations across all appropriate age group norms. However, when working in extremes (i.e., very high- or very low-ability individuals), you will likely see more fluctuation.

When determining which tests to give/take, either the WAIS or SB5 would provide you an adequate picture of overall intellectual functioning. The use of a nonverbal IQ test above and beyond this might not provide much in the way of incremental validity, unless you suspected some type of language disorder or fluency issue, cultural interference, or something similar. There are likely other areas you'd want to assess over and above IQ that would be more appropriate, depending upon the nature of the testing.
 
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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You're asking some difficult questions, but I'll try to give you some basic answers. If you're really interested I can recommend a couple dozen good books to let you get a better handle on it.

IQ isn't really understood by many outside of academia. It gets tossed around and used incorrectly quite a bit. IQ, in its most correct usage, is a measure of 'g', which is a mental ability underlying all (or at least most) forms of cognition. There are a number of different tests available, each with certain benefits and hindrances. Outside of the Stanford-Binet (which is an entirely different type of test) the most important difference in tests is their 'g-loading', which relates to how much the test accounts for innate 'g' instead of acquired knowledge or specific areas of strength. In a highly 'g-loaded' test the distribution of scores across all tested areas will remain largely constant, indicating a single underlying factor. Good IQ tests have almost nothing to do with acquired knowledge.

Since you are in America I would assume you took the WISC as a child, though if you're old enough it might have been a Stanford-Binet. If you took the SB you have your answer, as it's an entirely different kind of test than others. The SB compares your actual knowledge with your chronological age against a baseline. It is a 16sd scale and is relatively un-g-loaded. If you took the WISC you still have your answer, because the testing for children is different than the testing for adults. This is to account for psychological/cognitive development which occurs in children at different ages, and is wholly different than the testing available for adults (the WAIS). It is completely common to see a 1sd disparity between WISC and WAIS scores.

It is more unusual for scores to increase when using the same test throughout one's adult lifetime, but it can still happen. In order to account for the Flynn effect tests are restandardized about every ten years. This can cause a disparity between the different test version results. Many kinds of brain injury or issues can alter ones performance on IQ tests. It is also possible to train one's 'g' within about 1sd (or in very rare cases 2sds) through careful targeting of specific skill areas.

If you want to be as sure as possible about your IQ I would recommend multiple tests every 10 years over 30 years. This should allow you to establish with confidence exactly where you are. I would recommend at least the WAIS, Cattell, Raven, and one of the larger non-verbals.

Actually, the current Stanford-Binet (SB5) has a standard deviation of 15, as it was changed largely in an attempt to become more uniform with other instruments that use standard scores with a mean of 100, such as the WAIS and WISC. As for g, the SB--just like the WAIS--taps into it, if you ascribe to the Spearman two-factor or Cattell-Horn-Carroll three-factor theory of intelligence. The SB and WAIS both produce very similar scores, although there are some differences between the two.

As for changes from WISC to WAIS, this usually isn't the case, as IQ tends to be fairly consistent across the lifespan after a certain age (from around 5-6 years onward, I believe). There technically shouldn't be much change moving from SB to WISC or SB to WAIS, either, as they all have fairly high correlations across all appropriate age group norms. However, when working in extremes (i.e., very high- or very low-ability individuals), you will likely see more fluctuation.

As for which tests to give/take, either the WAIS or SB5 would provide you an adequate picture of overall intellectual functioning. The use of a nonverbal IQ test above and beyond this might not provide much in the way of incremental validity, unless you suspected some type of language disorder or fluency issue, cultural interference, or something similar. There are likely other areas you'd want to assess over and above IQ that would be more appropriate, depending upon the nature of the testing.

They updated the SB? Wow, that shocks me. I figured it was a write-off with how much it was disliked/discounted in the '80s and early '90s. Well that shows what I get for being out of the loop for a decade. :cool:

So how did they g-load the SB in the newest version? The basic idea of mental/chrono age based on knowledge seems to oppose 'g'.

I know my SB and WISC were 2sds apart, but then again that was 1978 so maybe that was inherent flaws in the tests used at that time. My WISC scores didn't change much over time, but my WISC and WAIS were 1sd separated. Since adulthood my WAIS have been within 1sd (though as far apart as possible within it), but my Cattell, Raven, and Mega27 all stay about 1sd ahead of my WAIS scores. Since you seem to have a great understanding of these things can you offer any explanation for that? I've been searching for answers for a long time with no luck. 8-(
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You're asking some difficult questions, but I'll try to give you some basic answers. If you're really interested I can recommend a couple dozen good books to let you get a better handle on it.

IQ isn't really understood by many outside of academia. It gets tossed around and used incorrectly quite a bit. IQ, in its most correct usage, is a measure of 'g', which is a mental ability underlying all (or at least most) forms of cognition. There are a number of different tests available, each with certain benefits and hindrances. Outside of the Stanford-Binet (which is an entirely different type of test) the most important difference in tests is their 'g-loading', which relates to how much the test accounts for innate 'g' instead of acquired knowledge or specific areas of strength. In a highly 'g-loaded' test the distribution of scores across all tested areas will remain largely constant, indicating a single underlying factor. Good IQ tests have almost nothing to do with acquired knowledge.

Since you are in America I would assume you took the WISC as a child, though if you're old enough it might have been a Stanford-Binet. If you took the SB you have your answer, as it's an entirely different kind of test than others. The SB compares your actual knowledge with your chronological age against a baseline. It is a 16sd scale and is relatively un-g-loaded. If you took the WISC you still have your answer, because the testing for children is different than the testing for adults. This is to account for psychological/cognitive development which occurs in children at different ages, and is wholly different than the testing available for adults (the WAIS). It is completely common to see a 1sd disparity between WISC and WAIS scores.

It is more unusual for scores to increase when using the same test throughout one's adult lifetime, but it can still happen. In order to account for the Flynn effect tests are restandardized about every ten years. This can cause a disparity between the different test version results. Many kinds of brain injury or issues can alter ones performance on IQ tests. It is also possible to train one's 'g' within about 1sd (or in very rare cases 2sds) through careful targeting of specific skill areas.

If you want to be as sure as possible about your IQ I would recommend multiple tests every 10 years over 30 years. This should allow you to establish with confidence exactly where you are. I would recommend at least the WAIS, Cattell, Raven, and one of the larger non-verbals.

Actually, the current Stanford-Binet (SB5) has a standard deviation of 15, as it was changed largely in an attempt to become more uniform with other instruments that use standard scores with a mean of 100, such as the WAIS and WISC. As for g, the SB--just like the WAIS--taps into it, if you ascribe to the Spearman two-factor or Cattell-Horn-Carroll three-factor theory of intelligence. The SB and WAIS both produce very similar scores, although there are some differences between the two.

As for changes from WISC to WAIS, this usually isn't the case, as IQ tends to be fairly consistent across the lifespan after a certain age (from around 5-6 years onward, I believe). There technically shouldn't be much change moving from SB to WISC or SB to WAIS, either, as they all have fairly high correlations across all appropriate age group norms. However, when working in extremes (i.e., very high- or very low-ability individuals), you will likely see more fluctuation.

As for which tests to give/take, either the WAIS or SB5 would provide you an adequate picture of overall intellectual functioning. The use of a nonverbal IQ test above and beyond this might not provide much in the way of incremental validity, unless you suspected some type of language disorder or fluency issue, cultural interference, or something similar. There are likely other areas you'd want to assess over and above IQ that would be more appropriate, depending upon the nature of the testing.

They updated the SB? Wow, that shocks me. I figured it was a write-off with how much it was disliked/discounted in the '80s and early '90s. Well that shows what I get for being out of the loop for a decade. :cool:

So how did they g-load the SB in the newest version? The basic idea of mental/chrono age based on knowledge seems to oppose 'g'.

I know my SB and WISC were 2sds apart, but then again that was 1978 so maybe that was inherent flaws in the tests used at that time. My WISC scores didn't change much over time, but my WISC and WAIS were 1sd separated. Since adulthood my WAIS have been within 1sd (though as far apart as possible within it), but my Cattell, Raven, and Mega27 all stay about 1sd ahead of my WAIS scores. Since you seem to have a great understanding of these things can you offer any explanation for that? I've been searching for answers for a long time with no luck. 8-(

I have to run for the time being, but I'll see if I can't address some of your questions (with my limited knowledge) via PM once I get back.
 

StevenYoo

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hey PrinceofWands and Whisper, thanks for the helpful info.

I took the WAIS-III. It took like 4 hours and it was quite draining.

I don't know which test I took as a child, though it was probably the WISC-R (I was born in 1981).

I like the result I got from my WAIS-III. I'd rather not take it again and potentially spoil it ;)