question about installing plastic shower panels..

[Gibson486]

so...i was asked this today.... it possible to install them over tile? I mean, sure you could, but I'd imagine it would look like sh!t after? if i was in his situation though....I'd think about it. He is trying to flip a forclosure. Some of the tiles are gone and it is drywall behind the tiles. He tried to getting rid of the tiles, but it seems impossible to do with the intent of saving the wall.....

I say no, but he insists on trying it....

he was talking about these...

http://www.acehardwaresupersto...he-p-36166.html?ref=42

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Drywall behind tiles in a bathroom? Don't you have to use backer board if you're going to tile a shower/tub?

Backer Board

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Sentrosi2121
Drywall behind tiles in a bathroom? Don't you have to use backer board if you're going to tile a shower/tub?

Backer Board

i have no idea....but it's dry wall behind it.

 

[tyler811]

Cement board is what should used for tile in shower. Drywall will rot when wet and mildew and mold. Then the whole wall will fall in. Not mention the mold inside the wall will play hell with people's breathing.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: tyler811
Cement board is what should used for tile in shower. Drywall will rot when wet and mildew and mold. Then the whole wall will fall in. Not mention the mold inside the wall will play hell with people's breathing.

maybe it is then...all I know is that it look likes drywall...from the link, it may be backer board....bit the wall has some holes and it look likes drywall.

 

[Vette73]

If older it could be green drywall as many did that. Of course you can still use drywall in the shower today but you need a water proof membrane. I used drywall in my walk in shower but put kerdi on the drywall first then tiled over that.


But yea you can put that plastic shell over the tile. Just make sure it fits well as I have seen those kits and not all but most look bad and there will be sift spots.

 

[bctbct]

Should be able to. If he plans on glueing it I would use a FRP adhesive or similar that is non-shadowing....light colored so it doesnt show through the fiberglass.

 

[Greenman]

Covering up a failed shower is a bad idea. Your friend could very well be sued when the damage is discovered by the new owner, and rightfully so I might add.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Covering up a failed shower is a bad idea. Your Shyster could very well be sued when the damage is discovered by the new owner, and rightfully so I might add.

I have to agree with Greenman on this.

 

[Gibson486]

no mold on it...it just that the people who lived there made a point to take everything. that includes the tiles that held the soap dish. Everything else is sound (aside from the one tile that had its backing fall off. You can really sue for that? I guess it will be his funeral, not mine.

BTW, I was there today helping him remove the vinyl floors. They even took the screws that held the toilet down...but they left the toilet.

 

[Greenman]

Have your friend check out the disclosure laws in your state. While he's at it, a brief look into latent defects and the requirements for building permits might be in order as well.
There is some money to be made flipping homes, there is also a great deal of risk if you screw it up.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: Gibson486
no mold on it...it just that the people who lived there made a point to take everything. that includes the tiles that held the soap dish. Everything else is sound (aside from the one tile that had its backing fall off. You can really sue for that? I guess it will be his funeral, not mine.

BTW, I was there today helping him remove the vinyl floors. They even took the screws that held the toilet down...but they left the toilet.

Not knowing what was in the term of sales on closure homes, but plumbing such as toilet must be up to building code for occupancy permit, and no way in hell an insurance company would insure or honor a structure with unsound plumbing.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: Gibson486
no mold on it...it just that the people who lived there made a point to take everything. that includes the tiles that held the soap dish. Everything else is sound (aside from the one tile that had its backing fall off. You can really sue for that? I guess it will be his funeral, not mine.

BTW, I was there today helping him remove the vinyl floors. They even took the screws that held the toilet down...but they left the toilet.

Not knowing what was in the term of sales on closure homes, but plumbing such as toilet must be up to building code for occupancy permit, and no way in hell an insurance company would insure or honor a structure with unsound plumbing.

yeah....i think the toilet is the only plumbing "issue". He said he doesn't care because he'll buy a new toilet if need be. He said they are cheap and that he will sell find some guy to buy the old one for $20 if he throws it on craigslist.

As for the tiles in the shower...he is leaning towards just leaving it, but option 2 would be the putting the panels over the tile....

 

[amdskip]

Pull the tile and put cement board and then do the plastic panels.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: amdskip
Pull the tile and put cement board and then do the plastic panels.

This.

It's an hour or two of demo and $150 extra in materials to avoid being an absolute scumbag and possibly opening himself up to litigation.

 

[alkemyst]

I am willing to bet much more than an hour or two.

If the wall was intact, but only the tiles damaged there is nothing wrong with putting up an enclosure over them...this is in fact what the typical remodeler's do you see advertizing in the mall and the like.

 

[waffleironhead]

That is the exact reason they are made, a simple install over crappy tile or wallboard.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
That is the exact reason they are made, a simple install over crappy tile or wallboard.

I think the above are posting out of fear it happens to them rather than what they'd really do.

Tearing out perfectly good backing walls to just get rid of ugly tiles which will then all be covered by an enclosure anyway is just setting yourself up for an expensive mistake.

That said I know of one anal retentive dude that must erase pencil marks from the drywall prior to paint "because he knows they are there" otherwise.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
That is the exact reason they are made, a simple install over crappy tile or wallboard.

I think the above are posting out of fear it happens to them rather than what they'd really do.

Tearing out perfectly good backing walls to just get rid of ugly tiles which will then all be covered by an enclosure anyway is just setting yourself up for an expensive mistake.

That said I know of one anal retentive dude that must erase pencil marks from the drywall prior to paint "because he knows they are there" otherwise.

LOL....that was his thinking. he has never did it before, so he does not want a simple $150 fix to turn into a $500 mess. aside from the one tile spot, the backing is perfect.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
That is the exact reason they are made, a simple install over crappy tile or wallboard.

I think the above are posting out of fear it happens to them rather than what they'd really do.

Tearing out perfectly good backing walls to just get rid of ugly tiles which will then all be covered by an enclosure anyway is just setting yourself up for an expensive mistake.

That said I know of one anal retentive dude that must erase pencil marks from the drywall prior to paint "because he knows they are there" otherwise.

LOL....that was his thinking. he has never did it before, so he does not want a simple $150 fix to turn into a $500 mess. aside from the one tile spot, the backing is perfect.

It is possible that tile will lift due to poor installation, but lifting tiles/ generally suggested that there is water damage possibly mold between the drywall/backer board. Cover over the damage tiles/wall with plastic surround is a common practice for cheap home owner (out of sight, out of mind), but in a business transaction it could come back and bite you in the arse because you can be sue for knowingly selling damage goods with out disclosure to the client.

That said, I'm a plumber, gas fitter, and HVAC (heating, Ventilation, air conditioning) mechanic. And, I think Greenman is a builder.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: amdskip
Pull the tile and put cement board and then do the plastic panels.

This.

It's an hour or two of demo and $150 extra in materials to avoid being an absolute scumbag and possibly opening himself up to litigation.

Plastic surround does not require backing if it is strong enough, and greenboard drywall is sufficient for the task. As long as there isn't mold growing in the wall.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
That is the exact reason they are made, a simple install over crappy tile or wallboard.

I think the above are posting out of fear it happens to them rather than what they'd really do.

Tearing out perfectly good backing walls to just get rid of ugly tiles which will then all be covered by an enclosure anyway is just setting yourself up for an expensive mistake.

That said I know of one anal retentive dude that must erase pencil marks from the drywall prior to paint "because he knows they are there" otherwise.

LOL....that was his thinking. he has never did it before, so he does not want a simple $150 fix to turn into a $500 mess. aside from the one tile spot, the backing is perfect.

It is possible that tile will lift due to poor installation, but lifting tiles/ generally suggested that there is water damage possibly mold between the drywall/backer board. Cover over the damage tiles/wall with plastic surround is a common practice for cheap home owner (out of sight, out of mind), but in a business transaction it could come back and bite you in the arse because you can be sue for knowingly selling damage goods with out disclosure to the client.

That said, I'm a plumber, gas fitter, and HVAC (heating, Ventilation, air conditioning) mechanic. And, I think Greenman is a builder.

I am assuming you are contractors and as such usually pretty out of sight and out of mind of a lawsuit.

The OP said the backing is perfect. A bad spot could have been due to a soda spilling during the tile layout. Hardly any reason for gutting the bathroom over.

But yes, if the existing construction was peeling off the wall, had mold, had a fucking body hidden inside it...then putting up an enclosure with the sole purpose to hide those facts would be a problem.

Most of ATOT want to buy $3000 in tools to do $300 (with labor) in jobs.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
That is the exact reason they are made, a simple install over crappy tile or wallboard.

I think the above are posting out of fear it happens to them rather than what they'd really do.

Tearing out perfectly good backing walls to just get rid of ugly tiles which will then all be covered by an enclosure anyway is just setting yourself up for an expensive mistake.

That said I know of one anal retentive dude that must erase pencil marks from the drywall prior to paint "because he knows they are there" otherwise.

LOL....that was his thinking. he has never did it before, so he does not want a simple $150 fix to turn into a $500 mess. aside from the one tile spot, the backing is perfect.

It is possible that tile will lift due to poor installation, but lifting tiles/ generally suggested that there is water damage possibly mold between the drywall/backer board. Cover over the damage tiles/wall with plastic surround is a common practice for cheap home owner (out of sight, out of mind), but in a business transaction it could come back and bite you in the arse because you can be sue for knowingly selling damage goods with out disclosure to the client.

That said, I'm a plumber, gas fitter, and HVAC (heating, Ventilation, air conditioning) mechanic. And, I think Greenman is a builder.

the tile is not lifting, it looks like it got kicked in. Almost like a couple was trying to have sex and accidently kicked in a tile.