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question about cpu

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dsj

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Which cpu is better to get? The athlon 64 3200+ or the 3500+? The 3500+ seemed a bit expensive. But is the 3200+ too slow? And venice cores are the best right?
 
You are quite fine with a 3200+. It can overclock nicely enough, and you can use the difference in price to aquire more RAM. 3200+ has a better price/performance ratio.
 
I am just upgrading the cpu and motherboard. Will a 3200+ last 2 years? Or will it be too slow too soon? What is the performance difference between the cpus? And I'm not planning to overclock. I have nough heat issues right now with the xp. The cpu temp is 67 degrees celcius on the desktop and when I play games the thing over heats and the system reboots.
 
Socket 939 will be a socket that will last at least 5 quarters... besides, the upgrade path is up to X2 processors, which are Dual Core; The performance difference is no more than 5%, and the price difference is a tad higher than such increase in speed. The bundled HS Fan that comes with the processor will be more than enough to cool your processor, as these are also cooler and safer to operate at higher temps.

Still, your AXP temps seem very high. I would suggest you clean inside your case and try adding exhaust fans where possible, to increase air flow and make better cooling.
 
The question is will an athlon 64 3200+ last 2 years? And the 3500+ is only 5 percent faster? Then I'll go for the 3200+.

And I'm now using pc 400 rams. Is that too slow? will it last 2 years?

And the motherboard. So many of the new 939 ones are pci express. I have an agp video card.


Heat. Well, I now blame it on the asus motherboard.
 
The performance of your computer depends on your personal experience. There are some people that have not changed from the AXP because they are very comfortable with their current setup and beleive they don't need any more speed.

There are many nForce 3-250Gb motherboards out there that could allow you to keep your AGP card and memory, though PCIe is the new trend in videocards.

Such computer should last for a year without a problem; I would say it is fast enough for gaming and normal-average use.
 
Originally posted by: Aenslead
The performance of your computer depends on your personal experience. There are some people that have not changed from the AXP because they are very comfortable with their current setup and beleive they don't need any more speed.

There are many nForce 3-250Gb motherboards out there that could allow you to keep your AGP card and memory, though PCIe is the new trend in videocards.

Such computer should last for a year without a problem; I would say it is fast enough for gaming and normal-average use.
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Thanks. But there is this gigabyte n force 3 ultra motherboard that is agp. And are all the pci express motherboards accepting only ddr 2 memory?
 
Isn't venice the newest? And the money, I don't really want to spend too much on the cpu. That's it, I don't really have a set budget. And is ddr 400 rams too slow now?
 
ddr400 ram is what you get when not overclocking. the difference between the 3200 and 3500 is 200mhz, not much of a difference. when you say "last" for 2 years do you mean: able to run current games for that long, or something else?

San Diego and Venice came out at about the same time.

San Diego Core: Code "BN"
Athlon 64 FX-57 939 1MB L2 2.8 GHz "BN" (Rev E) (Multi Unlocked)
Athlon 64 FX-55 939 1MB L2 2.6 GHz "BN" (Rev E) (Multi Unlocked)
Athlon 64 4200+ 939 1MB L2 2.6 GHz "BN" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 4000+ 939 1MB L2 2.4 GHz "BN" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3700+ 939 1MB L2 2.2 GHz "BN" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3500+ 939 1MB L2 2.0 GHz "BN" (Rev E)

Venice Core: Code "BP"
Athlon 64 4200+ 939 512k L2 2.8 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 4000+ 939 512k L2 2.6 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3800+ 939 512k L2 2.4 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3500+ 939 512k L2 2.2 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3200+ 939 512k L2 2.0 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3000+ 939 512k L2 1.8 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 2800+ 939 512k L2 1.6 GHz "BP" (Rev E)

the san diegos are 200mhz slower than the venices, i dont think this makes a difference.
hope this is correct...
 
dsj It seems as if you are asking random questions that will be difficult to answer without more information. Questions have been asked concerning a new AMD64 939 socket and at the same time information has been provided concerning your current computer that is alarming and could possibly benefit from help. No information has been provided concerning intended use of a new computer and if you intend to cannibalize your current computer for parts, such as the mentioned agp video card. It has been asked if a new computer would last for two years. Please explain this question. Computers are designed to last for 5 - 10 years and can easily last longer.

If you are looking for a new computer for low cost, then the AMD64 socket 939, 90nm, Venice core 3000+ or 3200+ are the best options for you. Cost is low and performance is incredible for the money. A Venice core is better than a Winchester core but only if you plan to overclock either now or sometime in the future, but the price difference is negligible anyway.

To your original question, I recommend the 3200+.
 
Originally posted by: theman
ddr400 ram is what you get when not overclocking. the difference between the 3200 and 3500 is 200mhz, not much of a difference. when you say "last" for 2 years do you mean: able to run current games for that long, or something else?

San Diego and Venice came out at about the same time.

San Diego Core: Code "BN"
Athlon 64 FX-57 939 1MB L2 2.8 GHz "BN" (Rev E) (Multi Unlocked)
Athlon 64 FX-55 939 1MB L2 2.6 GHz "BN" (Rev E) (Multi Unlocked)
Athlon 64 4200+ 939 1MB L2 2.6 GHz "BN" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 4000+ 939 1MB L2 2.4 GHz "BN" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3700+ 939 1MB L2 2.2 GHz "BN" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3500+ 939 1MB L2 2.0 GHz "BN" (Rev E)

Venice Core: Code "BP"
Athlon 64 4200+ 939 512k L2 2.8 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 4000+ 939 512k L2 2.6 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3800+ 939 512k L2 2.4 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3500+ 939 512k L2 2.2 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3200+ 939 512k L2 2.0 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 3000+ 939 512k L2 1.8 GHz "BP" (Rev E)
Athlon 64 2800+ 939 512k L2 1.6 GHz "BP" (Rev E)

the san diegos are 200mhz slower than the venices, i dont think this makes a difference.
hope this is correct...
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By lasting 2 years I meant will it be at or above the recommended cpu speed for games for 2 years? I see all of those new rams that are encased in metal that I tink is the ddr2. So is a 400 too slow?
 
1. ddr2 is for new intel CPU's. not amd. ddr is fine anyway.

2. it would be best to run with PC3200/ddr400(i think) ram if you run the athlon64 at stock.

3. yeah it should be alright for most games, video card is more important anyway.

 
I just got the 3000+ Venice Core and am at 2.7 ghz with it on air and only 1.495 vcore

I'd say get the 3200+ venice or the 3000+ imho

 
Originally posted by: dsj
You can't use ddr2 with an amd cpu?
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No, and even if you could you wouldn't want to. DDR2 has higher latency and it's more expensive for no performance gain. Anything higher than PC3200 DDR is for overclocking, so if you aren't going to overclock, there is no reason to get anything higher. The 3200+ should be fine, but you really need to be more specific about what you are doing with the system.
 
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