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Question about brains for the women of Anandtech

shortylickens

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Somehow I recently got into this conversation and it got me thinking.

I understand how members of both genders can feel threatened if their significant other gets emotionally attached to someone else, even if its in a friendly way.
Heck, I even understand how people can feel threatened if their boy/girlfriend just looks too long at someone else. Visual stimulation is important to sexuality and its easy to stray mentally.

But I never really applied this logic to intellectual stimulation. Having an intelligent conversation with a person and feeling connected to them in that manner. Would it cause a person to feel threatened in the sense of the relationship?
I posed this question to some lady friends of mine and got some interesting responses. Heather said that she would not have a problem with it. She said she understood that her man was intelligent and had an open mind and couldnt grow intellectually with just one person. He would have to seek mental stimulation from other people and it stands to reason that some of them would eventually be women.
Danielle said that she probably would feel threatened. She said that its much more important for women to have an intellectual connection to a guy and if some girl was doing that she would likely form an emotional connection too. That would be threatening to her.

My question to the ladies was: Do you feel threatened if your man somehow manages to form this connection with another woman?
And since there are a lot more men here than women I have to ask the reverse question: Do you guys worry about the same thing? A mental connection that may somehow become emotional or romantic.

I think with all the other relationship threads I've read here I have a pretty good bead on what the different sexes feel about ogling and staring, but the brain side of things seems to not get discussed fully.

As for all the folks who feel like calling "shens", saying that a couple of girls would never talk about such things with a man who wasnt their boyfriend, I call shens on you. You dont talk to girls nearly enough. I happen to know for a fact that most women dont get nearly enough intellectual stimulation (especially from men) and this is exactly the kind of question they like to hear now and again. My problem isnt forming that connection, its the potential for after-effects.
Which I had not even considered until recently. Some of the best conversations I've had were with the married Coffee Girls at my local cafe.

Then I've met some women that were not at all interested in talking to me or any other guys for that matter. This used to make me wonder. "Is she worried it might be like mental cheating? Does she not want to take the risk of forming that connection?"

Discuss.

SUB QUESTION: Do you guys feel the need to be intellectually stimulated by a woman on a regular basis, or can you do without it?

EDIT: I will be asleep until I go to work in another 6 hours. Will porbably check this thread for clarifying questions on my first break.
 

Aikouka

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Mmm I think worrying about this is a bit illogical. I mean, what are they honestly worrying about? Do they expect an intellectual debate to heat up and suddenly they're macking it with eachother like a Y&R rerun? I think the most that would form is a general (intellectual) enjoyment when it comes to talking to someone. The only logical malady of this situation that I could think of is that you may worry that your significant other thinks less of you for your inability to discuss intellectual topics.

Personally, I'd prefer if my significant other could discuss intellectual topics. I have a wide array of interests and sometimes it's fun to talk about my thoughts with someone else, especially in person. If all I received was a "mmmhmmm... yeah... that sounds good...", I'd probably feel a bit diminished and discouraged. Even if the person couldn't really apprehend the conversation 100%, just listening and any bit of relative input is good enough for me :).
 

ATLien247

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I can see it going either way. As a man, I think I could be attracted to a woman based on her intelligence as perceived through conversation, but there are other factors I would take into consideration before consciously forming any emotional bonds. However, any kind of conversation might be construed as flirting in the eyes of your mate, so I would tread lightly.
 

TheGizmo

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communication 101 at the university eh?

edit: i feel no "threat" when my gf says a guy is hot, i always tell her when i see pretty girls, and she sometimes will agree with me and other times will not agree about how hot the girl we're looking at is :p
 

CityShrimp

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To be honest, yes. I feel threatened when I see my girlfriend have any type of conversation with other men. I wouldn't feel worried if they talk once in a while, but if they have deep conversations very often, then I'd get worried.

And when you say intellectual stimulation, I assume you mean discussions of science, news, etc. But I think normally, intellectual discussions will lead to topics on personal life, interets, etc. So, in the end, they're still making a connection , and even though the chances are small, they might form a bond greater than the one I have with her.

Or maybe I'm just the jealous type...
 

Bryophyte

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I think it's a non-issue. If you feel safe in your relationship, you won't feel jealous of your spouse's friends. By the very nature of friendship, these are people who share something in common with your spouse, whether intellectually or through common history or interests. I would naturally expect my spouse to be fond of his friends and to enjoy talking with them. He even *gasp* goes out to lunch with them once in awhile. If you can't handle your spouse having friends other than you, you have some pretty big problems. You seem to be trying to be provoking an emotional response from us by using terms like "emotionally attached" and "mental stimulation" when refering to their relationship with their friends, specifically ones of the opposite sex. Why is that?
 

Aharami

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id rather my gf be physically attracted to someone else (w/o actually carrying thru ofcourse) than emotionally attracted to someone else. If she left me for some hotter guy, i'd be angry, but if she left me cuz she's more emotionally attracted to some other guy, i'd be sad. And its easier to be angry than sad.

hypothetically speaking... i trust my gf
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: CityShrimp
To be honest, yes. I feel threatened when I see my girlfriend have any type of conversation with other men. I wouldn't feel worried if they talk once in a while, but if they have deep conversations very often, then I'd get worried.

And when you say intellectual stimulation, I assume you mean discussions of science, news, etc. But I think normally, intellectual discussions will lead to topics on personal life, interets, etc. So, in the end, they're still making a connection , and even though the chances are small, they might form a bond greater than the one I have with her.

Or maybe I'm just the jealous type...

You need to ask yourself why you're so insecure. That kind of insecurity is VERY unattractive and VERY unhealthy for relationships. You probably project your insecurity onto your girlfriend as if it's her fault, when the problem lies completely within yourself.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
SUB QUESTION: Do you guys feel the need to be intellectually stimulated by a woman on a regular basis, or can you do without it?

If you're asking if she has to have more brains than a plank, and can string a sentence together that doesn't always include the words "Huh?" and "Dunno", then yes. I couldn't stand a vacuous gf, I'd probably go insane... not that we'd get anywhere near serious cos my mind would be screaming "ABORT ABORT!" when I realised the depressing truth.

 

moshquerade

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"My question to the ladies was: Do you feel threatened if your man somehow manages to form this connection with another woman"

i wouldn't and i don't have a problem with it. if anyone does they are experiencing insecurity in the relationship.
 

CityShrimp

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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: CityShrimp
To be honest, yes. I feel threatened when I see my girlfriend have any type of conversation with other men. I wouldn't feel worried if they talk once in a while, but if they have deep conversations very often, then I'd get worried.

And when you say intellectual stimulation, I assume you mean discussions of science, news, etc. But I think normally, intellectual discussions will lead to topics on personal life, interets, etc. So, in the end, they're still making a connection , and even though the chances are small, they might form a bond greater than the one I have with her.

Or maybe I'm just the jealous type...

You need to ask yourself why you're so insecure. That kind of insecurity is VERY unattractive and VERY unhealthy for relationships. You probably project your insecurity onto your girlfriend as if it's her fault, when the problem lies completely within yourself.

I've only dated 1 girl in my life, so I'm not sure if it's just towards her or if something is wrong with me. But she's rather unstable (asks to break up a couple of times, reasons r always about school, but later regrets her decision) so I think I'm justified in being insecure with the relationship I had with her.
 

Kelvrick

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Originally posted by: CityShrimp
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: CityShrimp
To be honest, yes. I feel threatened when I see my girlfriend have any type of conversation with other men. I wouldn't feel worried if they talk once in a while, but if they have deep conversations very often, then I'd get worried.

And when you say intellectual stimulation, I assume you mean discussions of science, news, etc. But I think normally, intellectual discussions will lead to topics on personal life, interets, etc. So, in the end, they're still making a connection , and even though the chances are small, they might form a bond greater than the one I have with her.

Or maybe I'm just the jealous type...

You need to ask yourself why you're so insecure. That kind of insecurity is VERY unattractive and VERY unhealthy for relationships. You probably project your insecurity onto your girlfriend as if it's her fault, when the problem lies completely within yourself.

I've only dated 1 girl in my life, so I'm not sure if it's just towards her or if something is wrong with me. But she's rather unstable (asks to break up a couple of times, reasons r always about school, but later regrets her decision) so I think I'm justified in being insecure with the relationship I had with her.

Had? So you're no longer with her? If not, then when you see someone in the future, you will no longer be justified and will need to trust that she's in a relationship with you.
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: CityShrimp
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: CityShrimp
To be honest, yes. I feel threatened when I see my girlfriend have any type of conversation with other men. I wouldn't feel worried if they talk once in a while, but if they have deep conversations very often, then I'd get worried.

And when you say intellectual stimulation, I assume you mean discussions of science, news, etc. But I think normally, intellectual discussions will lead to topics on personal life, interets, etc. So, in the end, they're still making a connection , and even though the chances are small, they might form a bond greater than the one I have with her.

Or maybe I'm just the jealous type...

You need to ask yourself why you're so insecure. That kind of insecurity is VERY unattractive and VERY unhealthy for relationships. You probably project your insecurity onto your girlfriend as if it's her fault, when the problem lies completely within yourself.

I've only dated 1 girl in my life, so I'm not sure if it's just towards her or if something is wrong with me. But she's rather unstable (asks to break up a couple of times, reasons r always about school, but later regrets her decision) so I think I'm justified in being insecure with the relationship I had with her.


Coming from someone who's had a few relationships in her life: don't stay with someone if you don't trust her. Either you're justified in your mistrust and are better off without her, or you're out of line and insecure and SHE is better off without you until you work out your personal problems (usually this involves growing up and deciding to like yourself.) It's not uncommon for young men to be insecure, but I can tell you from experience that clingy, jealous young boyfriends send most girls running away screaming.
 

Xstatic1

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in the past year, i've realized i'm bored with 85-90% of the population, particularly other women. if someone (of either gender) can't hold my interest, they won't become a good/close friend. my last few BFs are smart as whips and i learned a lot of things from them. my ideal mate is someone who's always gonna keep me intellectually stimulated, among other things. ;) so answer the OP's question--i would feel threatened, er...no, i would feel very threatened, if my man had a mental connection with another woman.
 

CityShrimp

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To Bryophyte: I used to just hold-in my insecurities and other negative feelings. But I kinda had enough, so when she got into another one of her break-up fits, I just said ok. I think this'll give me some time to see if I'm insecure or she's just messed up.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
SUB QUESTION: Do you guys feel the need to be intellectually stimulated by a woman on a regular basis, or can you do without it?
It's absolutely a requirement.

Sure, there's the little 1-3 month period where the two of you are so new to each other than there aren't likely to be much in the way of non-conversing. After that though, you really discover if the other person truly engages your mind as well as your heart and body.

Somewhat cynically (but truthfully), I don't think any single person could engage me fully intellectually for the rest of time. I'm always going to need multiple people to fulfill me on that angle, and I find that a lot of people I know feel the same way.
 

shortylickens

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To answer some of the above questions:
I am not at college and never have been. All of these questions popping up are from my life.

Not personally trying to evoke an emotional response, in fact I am look for as objective aswers as possible.
Which seems to be the point of all this. As I talk to women about this issue I realize they are slightly more likely to be ruled by their emotions than logic when in comes to relationships. Men are generally the opposite.
I dont suppose this is a groundbreaking discovery but its still interesting to look at now and again.

As far as the insecurity issues go, I really didnt plan on judging anyone here, but lets face it. Some folks are not as well-rounded as the rest of us and we should all try to remember we arent perfect.