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Question about Athlon64 3000+ vs. P4 2.4

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redlinejaxfl

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I traded for an Athlon 64 3000+ which my computer says runs at 1.84GHz.I'm guessing that's standard as I have no clue how to overclock.(would if I knew how!) I planned on replacing my P4 2.4 processor with it just to see how it compared to the way the athlon ran.I tried the both with a gig of ram 512x2.Sets of (pc2700 and pc3200)I've noticed that the athlon NEVER bogs on me like the P4 would do on occasion if it had been on for a long time,or been using alot of programs at once for an extended period of time. I see the p.4 has a 512/533 marking.I know most of you know exactly what that means, I personally don't.Still a noob.Anyway, just curious to why this AMD never wants to miss a beat whether I've just turned it on, or had it running most of the day.Any info is appriciated!
 
Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but cache refers to in esscense backup memory for the processor? right? And FSB, I dont even have a guess as to what it actually means. Let me know. Like I said, still a noob.Suprised this athlon I put in together is working great.Hadn't ever put one together before! haha
 
Originally posted by: redlinejaxfl
Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but cache refers to in esscense backup memory for the processor? right? And FSB, I dont even have a guess as to what it actually means. Let me know. Like I said, still a noob.Suprised this athlon I put in together is working great.Hadn't ever put one together before! haha
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Cache is just a small ammount of extremely fast memory. It's for loading small files. Anything that doesn't fit in the L1 cache goes to the L2. Anything that doesn't fit in the L2 goes to the L3. Anything that doesn't fit in the L3 goes to your memory. And last of all, anything that doesn't fit in your memory goes to your Page file on your hard drive.
 
Cache is the high speed memory that the processor has access too. Most of the redundant and important information is stored in the L2 cache. The Front Side Bus is the interface that the processor uses to communicate with the memory. The memory(RAM) also stores information, like the cache, but it takes more time for the processor to get information from the memory than from the cache. The 533 referes to the bandwith of the Front side bus, basically saying that the information from the memory can travel at a speed of 533Megahertz per second.
 
Wow that's cool.You made it easy to understand.Now I'll know exactly what I'm getting into the next time I trade or buy.Thanks for all the info.
One thing though, you said outclassed, you mean like comparing a kia to a lexus? eh?
Ah, I see you meant it just newer, so of course more advanced.
 
Awesome, that explains it all.Thanks alot guys for all the info.I'll feel alot more confident about my next purchase I'm sure.I was just kinda hoping the athlon would perform the way it has been for me.Thanks again!
 
Originally posted by: redlinejaxfl
Wow that's cool.You made it easy to understand.Now I'll know exactly what I'm getting into the next time I trade or buy.Thanks for all the info.
One thing though, you said outclassed, you mean like comparing a kia to a lexus? eh?
Ah, I see you meant it just newer, so of course more advanced.
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No, more like comparing a Kia to a Porsche. 🙂
 
Haha you don't know how funny that is bc I swear to god I was going to put Porshe deleted it and put Lexus bc I thought the Porshe was going too far.I really laughed when I saw you typed it. haha. thanks for the reply man



edited typo ** oops
 
Originally posted by: Bona Fide
Originally posted by: redlinejaxfl
Wow that's cool.You made it easy to understand.Now I'll know exactly what I'm getting into the next time I trade or buy.Thanks for all the info.
One thing though, you said outclassed, you mean like comparing a kia to a lexus? eh?
Ah, I see you meant it just newer, so of course more advanced.
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No, more like comparing a Kia to a Porsche. 🙂
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yes
 
one last thing if you dont mind.so L2 cache is the most important number to look for and that's the number printed before the FSB number on the cpu? correct? and if so, where do I find the other numbers? are they all related to the cpu or do some of them have to do with the mobo? Thanks again in advance for any replies!
 
No cache is not the most important thing. Compare the Intel 520 with the AMD 3000+. The Intel has a full 1MB of cache. The AMD has only 512KB. Yet it still outperforms the Intel. Not all numbers refer to the processor however. There may be a number indicating what socket the processor is designed to fit. A few would be:

370 (Oldest Celeron, PIII, VIA Cyrix)
480 (Older and newer Celeron, older P4)
T (775) (newest P4)
604 (Xeon)
A (462) (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP, Athlon MP, Geode, cheap Semprons)
754 (Budget Athlon 64, Semprons)
939 (Athlon 64, Athlon FX, high class Semprons)
940 (Opterons, early Athlon FX)
 
Cool thanks.Yea, I did learn when I got it that it was a 939 socket, but I didnt know anything about older to current.Makes sense now! As far as the numbering of the caches though,L1,L2,L3.are they all related to the cpu itself or do some of them pertain to the mobo though? L2 is the number on the cpu before the fsb number correct? Sorry to ask so many questions.Just happy to learn more! Thanks again!
 
No problem. ALL caches refer to the CPU itself and has no interaction with the MOBO. L1,L2,and L3 just refer to the importance of the data. L1 is extremely small and usually just contains 32KB total. It houses the actual algorithms necessary for the CPU to run. Such as SSE, SSE 2, SSE 3, (MMX, MMX+ if Intel), (3Dnow, 3Dnow+ if AMD). L2 cache contains repetively run information and contains anywhere from 128KB to 2MB on the 6xx series on Intel processors. Some processors (usually Server processors like the Xeon) have a L3 cache. This is merely extra storage space that is faster to access than memory. It can contain, in some cases, up to 9MB (The special Intel Itanium 2 processor) It does't run on the same system we talk about. It's programs have to be specially created for the CPU. I'm going to supper now. Hopefully i can get on again afterwards. (Can't make promises). If you have any more questions, just ask and I'm sure someone can answer them for you.
 
You traded :Q?

That's a damn good trade for you!

Other guy got ripped off, but hey 😛
 
no, I wish. I traded him my emachine M6811 (which I still love and miss 🙁 and I just found out he sold it the other day when I asked about trading back) I think he gave me $350 and the winchester 3000+/Abit AV8/150gig maxtor7200w16-mb cache/512x2 pc3200 for the laptop


Edit *** forgot to mention, I am selling him my P4 setup that I replaced with his AMD.His buddy was looking for a cheap setup so I'm lettin it go for $80 shipped to him.
 
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