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FlameTail

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That's the problem with a closed source OS, however. If Microsoft gives up at some point then it's over. Really how much do they even care about Windows other than as a source of data collection for their new AI garbage future. Will they even pay to develop AVX2 support?
What about Linux On ARM!?
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Sorry, Flametail but Imma gonna be a bit critical about yer Oryon puppy.


Sucks in ST File compression.
ST Photo library not good.
ST Text processing also bad???
ST Asset compression thumbs down.
ST Background Blur, let's not talk about it, OK?
ST Horizon Detection, is that so hard, bro???
ST Ray Tracer, what???

MT File Compression, sad fail again.
MT Text Processing, do they actually know what they are doing, them ex-Apple engineers???

So what is Oryon good at?

Browsing, PDF, code compilation, finding your ex in old photos (object detection) and removing your ex from old photos (object remover), possibly Photoshop.

So yeah, it's gonna be a popular device for brogrammers who have a high girlfriend turnover rate.

Howz it look against Apple M3?


Let's just not talk about ST performance, mkay?

MT File compression, dang they skipped their file compression classes, methinks.
MT Text processing, just shoot me, please.

OK, maybe they have a slight chance at winning over some Macintoshers with the slightly better MT performance in some areas before the M4 is released.
 
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Sorry, Flametail but Imma gonna be a bit critical about yer Oryon puppy
Hold up! You know you are not using the optimal X Elite listing for that comparison right?

That ~2400 ST score is absurdly low, and way below what Qualcomm showed off in their performance previews. This is clearly an early test device.

Why don't you use a better listing for the comparison?

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Xbox, the insane OpenAI investments and so on and so forth.
Xbox keeps Sony on their toes and results in better hardware for console peasants.

Yeah, the OpenAI thing is crazy because they are so desperate to dethrone Google. Don't care about losing billions doing it. They make quite a bit of disposable income from their Office Online/Azure cloud services products.
 

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Lenovo is likely gonna be the cheapest and hence what most people are going to be able to use. Samsung? It will be wayyy overpriced.
Yeah but that doesn't explain the low 2400 ST score. Qualcomm has shown that X Elite can do 2700 in a 23W device TDP envelope.

So this Lenovo device is either a <10W fanless device or a fanned laptop but still in testing/debugging phase.
 
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@igor_kavinski

How do you do the CPU comparison in Geekbench 6 browser? I am unable to find a "compare" button.

I would like to use the original Qualcomm CRD listing from October 31st 2023.
 

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OK, maybe they have a slight chance at winning over some Macintoshers with the slightly better MT performance in some areas before the M4 is released.
That M3 Pro is clocked at 3.7Ghz. The 4.05Ghz version beats the X Elite in MT too. Despite having 6 less P cores.

Here’s a higher clocked one:
 
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So this Lenovo device is either a <10W fanless device or a fanned laptop but still in testing/debugging phase.
Or just getting throttled more aggressively by firmware to keep temps/energy usage down. I'll trust Lenovo to know what they are doing. They are not a small player.
 

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I do think that WoA is a pipe dream. Let’s be real people use Windows x86 for Business/niche windows only programs and Gaming. Other than that Windows is useless for your average consumer.

All almost use phones or tablets, that’s the direction Qualcomm should go. Put those cores in Android phones and tablets and port over desktop PC apps.

I mean at least Samsung/Chinese phone companies will make use of these Nuvia chips on a large scale that WoA would ever dream of.
 
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All almost use phones or tablets, that’s the direction Qualcomm should go. Put those cores in Android phones and tablets and port over desktop PC apps.
Microsoft could also try to do Windows Phone 2.0 where Oryon and its AI engine is powerful enough to make traditional desktop apps transform into mobile apps with appropriate mobile screen friendly UI through manipulation of UI API calls.
 

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Ok these are more interesting:



It's certainly jarring how the M3 Pro (6P+6E) beats the X Elite (12P) in multithread by about 11%.

I think their might be some explanations why:

1. Cross-cluster communication penalties: M3 Pro has only 2 clusters of cores, whereas X Elite has 3 clusters of cores.

2. We know Geekbench 6 MT doesn't scale well beyond 8 cores. M3 Pro's P cores are faster than the X Elite's P cores, and in X Elite only 2 of the cores are running at the highest clockspeed (dual-core boost), whereas in M3 Pro all 6 P-cores run at 4 GHz.

We can see the script being flipped in Cinebench 2024 MT, where X Elite comes out on top:

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3. The Galaxy Book4 Edge listing we used for the above 2 comparisons is the 4.0/3.4 GHz version running Windows.

Now let's compare the very best incarnation of X Elite (4.3/3.8 GHz - Linux, no thermal limitations) against M3 Pro:

 

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It's certainly jarring how the M3 Pro (6P+6E) beats the X Elite (12P) in multithread by about 11%.
it has more watts (sounds simple enough I guess)?
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG Zephyrus G14 GA403UI_GA403UI vs SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. Galaxy Book4 Edge - Geekbench
comparing against Phoenix is an outright dumb idea, Hamoa doesn't go against it.
Very different segments.
 

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Ok these are more interesting:



It's certainly jarring how the M3 Pro (6P+6E) beats the X Elite (12P) in multithread by about 11%.

I think their might be some explanations why:

1. Cross-cluster communication penalties: M3 Pro has only 2 clusters of cores, whereas X Elite has 3 clusters of cores.

2. We know Geekbench 6 MT doesn't scale well beyond 8 cores. M3 Pro's P cores are faster than the X Elite's P cores, and in X Elite only 2 of the cores are running at the highest clockspeed (dual-core boost), whereas in M3 Pro all 6 P-cores run at 4 GHz.

We can see the script being flipped in Cinebench 2024 MT, where X Elite comes out on top:

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3. The Galaxy Book4 Edge listing we used for the above 2 comparisons is the 4.0/3.4 GHz version running Windows.

Now let's compare the very best incarnation of X Elite (4.3/3.8 GHz - Linux, no thermal limitations) against M3 Pro:

I should count the number of times I wrote this: if you want to look at something that scales well in GB, look at the Ray Tracer score. You'll notice that Oryon is about 19% faster than M3 Pro. And if you look at CB results, Oryon is about 15% faster. Pretty similar.
 
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