Quadro Video Cards, Are they good for 3d Work? (Maya etc)
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how much of an advantage do you get with a Quadro card over a high end consumer card like Radeon 9800 Pro in Maya?
is there any increase or decrease in gaming performance with pro graphics cards like the Quadro?
is there any increase or decrease in gaming performance with pro graphics cards like the Quadro?
Read up on it and be application specific as sometimes the added cost of that card may not be all that great of a benefit for you....I run different stuff but I have been learning the quadro cards often carry a hefty premium that does not equate into much better performance oevr standard 3d crads out today...Difference is sometimes you can get a great gamer with excellent 3d applications in CAD for same or less price....
Go to video forum and look up a thread (search) CAD workstation cards.....About 2/3rds of the way into the article there is a review at like a 3dchips site....Read it and see how the Radeon 9700pro and Ti4600 compared aqainst the quadro cards if you want to see if a standalone workstation card is going to deliver it for you....
Otherwise I say get one of the new 6800 incarnations from non ultra to an ultra as it specs similar to the geforce FX 4000 Cad card that likely cost over 1000 bucks...
Go to video forum and look up a thread (search) CAD workstation cards.....About 2/3rds of the way into the article there is a review at like a 3dchips site....Read it and see how the Radeon 9700pro and Ti4600 compared aqainst the quadro cards if you want to see if a standalone workstation card is going to deliver it for you....
Otherwise I say get one of the new 6800 incarnations from non ultra to an ultra as it specs similar to the geforce FX 4000 Cad card that likely cost over 1000 bucks...
In the article it explains the shortcomings of the gaming cards which sometimes may result in buggier do to uncertified drivers, possible limitations with many window open resulting in major slowdowns, etc...
However check out the Maya 5.0 section and the 3ds max....It appears that more and more Directx 9.0 and such are becoming dominant features and some of the quadro 4 line I believe is only DX8 compliant....
It may ultimately come down to this is not for a corporation but for you to use and those maybe the 2 DVI ports, multiple windows opened with large vertice projects opened is not your likely scene...If not then the premium for the card may not seem worth it....
However check out the Maya 5.0 section and the 3ds max....It appears that more and more Directx 9.0 and such are becoming dominant features and some of the quadro 4 line I believe is only DX8 compliant....
It may ultimately come down to this is not for a corporation but for you to use and those maybe the 2 DVI ports, multiple windows opened with large vertice projects opened is not your likely scene...If not then the premium for the card may not seem worth it....
I've worked even on a 64mb Video Card and Maya was running pretty well until i did high-end full quality renders. I think my 9600XT should hold up pretty fine.
Its likely it will.....I am still trying to get information as whether or not the 9800pro 128mb vs the 256mb will make a more prominent factor in my CAD apps....
If I was specing this for the company I work for money would not be the object and I would pay the near 1000 to get the 3000 FX right now....However it is my cash and I would rather drop the cash in the dual Xeon setup and pseed of the cpus versus vid card alone....
Yes quadro cards can make a world of difference. I am an Architectural Visualizationist and use Quadro cards on a daily basis.
You are NOT going to see a difference in render times; rendering is simply CPU/RAM intensive.
Where you WILL see a difference is when you are working on an EXTREAMLY complex model, spinning, panning, zooming and such. The quality of the card starts to show then. Of course there are special drivers and utilites that you need to download from Nvidia to get the most out of the card.
chucu
You are NOT going to see a difference in render times; rendering is simply CPU/RAM intensive.
Where you WILL see a difference is when you are working on an EXTREAMLY complex model, spinning, panning, zooming and such. The quality of the card starts to show then. Of course there are special drivers and utilites that you need to download from Nvidia to get the most out of the card.
chucu
Quadro 4 750gxl = 300's
Quadro 4 900gxl = 400's
Quadro 4 980gxl = 500's
Geforce FX 500 = 250-300
Geforce FX 1100 = 600
Geforce FX 2000 =??
ATI FireGL Z1 = 330
ATI FireGL T1 = 250
ATI FireGL X1(128) = 400
ATI FireGl X1(256) = 500
ATI FireGL X2 = 600+
The fact is I deal with extreme 3d drawings now (large files) and I usually like to work in 3d ortho mode and orbit and pan a lot especially when I use the CAD as a design tool....My 8500DV doesn't do bad at all....
I will assume that a 6800 or a R420 ATI card will be in the range of 300-400 and yet will be 3-4 times better then my current card...I wouldn't see any problems for me in my CAD apps, plus get a bit more then just CAD functions....get world class 3d and cinematic factors...heck most of CAD animations and rendering are being converted to movie formats for insertion into other application or authoring to DVDs.....
read the reviws and they will show the best cards and then check out pricewatch and see if the price fits the performance in those cards....
I go to the autodesk discussion area and most of the ppl told me the cost doesn't necessarily fit for my applications...
Quadro 4 900gxl = 400's
Quadro 4 980gxl = 500's
Geforce FX 500 = 250-300
Geforce FX 1100 = 600
Geforce FX 2000 =??
ATI FireGL Z1 = 330
ATI FireGL T1 = 250
ATI FireGL X1(128) = 400
ATI FireGl X1(256) = 500
ATI FireGL X2 = 600+
The fact is I deal with extreme 3d drawings now (large files) and I usually like to work in 3d ortho mode and orbit and pan a lot especially when I use the CAD as a design tool....My 8500DV doesn't do bad at all....
I will assume that a 6800 or a R420 ATI card will be in the range of 300-400 and yet will be 3-4 times better then my current card...I wouldn't see any problems for me in my CAD apps, plus get a bit more then just CAD functions....get world class 3d and cinematic factors...heck most of CAD animations and rendering are being converted to movie formats for insertion into other application or authoring to DVDs.....
read the reviws and they will show the best cards and then check out pricewatch and see if the price fits the performance in those cards....
I go to the autodesk discussion area and most of the ppl told me the cost doesn't necessarily fit for my applications...
You lost me there!!!!!
Quadro cards are Nvidia's line of DCC/CAD cards.....Quadro 4's like the 750,900, and 980's were based off of the Geforce 4 line...The Geforce FX line of 500,700,1000,1100,2000 and 3000 are obviously based off of the NV35 line....
ATI'a CAD cards on the FireGL series with the X2 being based on the vpu of the 9800XT and the X1 being based on the vpu of the 9700pro....
Software optimization are very key in this line of cards but what you need to see is that in most cases when a gaming card and CAD card are basd on the vpu they have identical amount of pipelines...often times the CAD cards are a bit slower core and mem clock speed...The difference is really going o be with multiple windows open and some optimization in drivers....Old line of Geforce4 and older cards I believed had a soft mod you could do to unlock the ability of the card to become a qaudro line available to gain the benefits of the optimised drivers.....
Business computer = go quadro 4 or FX line of CAD cards...
Personal Use/ Workstation at home = go high end gaming card and get more out of it besides te premium cost which according to those benchmarks versus the ti4600 and 9700pro sure don't seem to be worth it...
Quadro cards are Nvidia's line of DCC/CAD cards.....Quadro 4's like the 750,900, and 980's were based off of the Geforce 4 line...The Geforce FX line of 500,700,1000,1100,2000 and 3000 are obviously based off of the NV35 line....
ATI'a CAD cards on the FireGL series with the X2 being based on the vpu of the 9800XT and the X1 being based on the vpu of the 9700pro....
Software optimization are very key in this line of cards but what you need to see is that in most cases when a gaming card and CAD card are basd on the vpu they have identical amount of pipelines...often times the CAD cards are a bit slower core and mem clock speed...The difference is really going o be with multiple windows open and some optimization in drivers....Old line of Geforce4 and older cards I believed had a soft mod you could do to unlock the ability of the card to become a qaudro line available to gain the benefits of the optimised drivers.....
Business computer = go quadro 4 or FX line of CAD cards...
Personal Use/ Workstation at home = go high end gaming card and get more out of it besides te premium cost which according to those benchmarks versus the ti4600 and 9700pro sure don't seem to be worth it...
Thanks....It needs more ram and believe it or not some of my CAD animation with high res and tons of motions takes hours for short clips of it....I am hoping a dual xeons with HT which can be utilized by Viz renderer can cut those times down...I am shooting for dual 3.3ghz after some ocing....
I was trying to spec a whole new box and keep both, but my system without a definite monitor picked out is 2000 now....I can upgrade to it for around 840 now with selling my old parts and upgarde the HDD subsystem later...
Hey, here is a gem I just found and may be a good find for me as well....
GeforceFX 5900 softmodded to Quadro status
I need to check on it, but with the new line of Nvidia cards coming, these 5900's may drop and be a heck of a bargain...He says he gets near GefoprceFX 3000 numbers in polygons....That would be bang for the buck....
Update: It may not be all its cracked up to be.....
5900 softmodded has to use really old 44.x drivers and suffers in 3d and gaming
I was trying to spec a whole new box and keep both, but my system without a definite monitor picked out is 2000 now....I can upgrade to it for around 840 now with selling my old parts and upgarde the HDD subsystem later...
Hey, here is a gem I just found and may be a good find for me as well....
GeforceFX 5900 softmodded to Quadro status
I need to check on it, but with the new line of Nvidia cards coming, these 5900's may drop and be a heck of a bargain...He says he gets near GefoprceFX 3000 numbers in polygons....That would be bang for the buck....
Update: It may not be all its cracked up to be.....
5900 softmodded has to use really old 44.x drivers and suffers in 3d and gaming
ATi's consumer line has a few bugs in Maya. The biggest one I know of is a certain tool leaving behind a trail, when it should not. The FireGL line (or consumer line modded to FireGL) does not have this bug.
The Wildcats at work also don't have this bug, but I don't have any Quadros to test with.
The Wildcats at work also don't have this bug, but I don't have any Quadros to test with.
Whats the budget??? I mean many thought the softmodding wasn't going to be able to happen anymore and yet they found a way....I wonder if it will be a hort time and they will have found a way to mod the 6800's yet you will get the latest shaders, opengl, and DX9 support.....
If you were looking at 300-400 then maybe the 6800 is better even if not softmodded....
If you were looking at 300-400 then maybe the 6800 is better even if not softmodded....
Read up on the guru3d forums here http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?s=3923e2dadf16f192cdd2723d53a06b2a&forumid=18 . You'll get a lot of softqudro information.
I can confirm what Cat said. I have a Radeon 9800 Pro and Maya 4.0. The sculpt tool leaves a trail behind when moving the mouse over the object. The trail will disappear every time you start to sculpt or everytime you rotate or pan, etc. I can't remember if other tools do this, but it is annoying when trying to sculpt.
Go the nVidia route, there are programs that can fool the system to think you have a Quadro card. This allows you to install the Quadro drivers/ applications. It will not make your card a Quadro, but the drivers also make a world of difference.
Personally I use FX5900Ultra/256Mb (=Quadro FX3000) for all 3D/ CAD stuff, and it does the job nicely.
Personally I use FX5900Ultra/256Mb (=Quadro FX3000) for all 3D/ CAD stuff, and it does the job nicely.
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