Quadro FX 1500 vs. Quadro FX 1700

JonnyBlaze

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what program are you doing the modeling in? if you're only doing autocad you dont need quadro.
 

JonnyBlaze

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i'v never used that program but from personal experience (solidworks, inventor & pro e) a good gaming card is fine for 3d modeling unless you deal with large assemblies (1000+ parts).

 

43st

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Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
what program are you doing the modeling in? if you're only doing autocad you dont need quadro.

Incorrect.. 3d AutoCad relies heavily on the graphics card. 2d uses it as well, just not as exclusively.

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
i'v never used that program but from personal experience (solidworks, inventor & pro e) a good gaming card is fine for 3d modeling unless you deal with large assemblies (1000+ parts).

Gaming cards do not have certified drivers and thus have multiple issues with graphics quality and artifacts on the screen. So unless you're willing to deal with flaky soft mods and other hacks a gamer card is out of the question.

Go to IT if you need a Dell crap-in-a-box, otherwise ask the engineer or the company making the software what hardware is best. There's nothing worse than IT making hardware decisions for the engineering department. :p
 

JonnyBlaze

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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
what program are you doing the modeling in? if you're only doing autocad you dont need quadro.

Incorrect.. 3d AutoCad relies heavily on the graphics card. 2d uses it as well, just not as exclusively.

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
i'v never used that program but from personal experience (solidworks, inventor & pro e) a good gaming card is fine for 3d modeling unless you deal with large assemblies (1000+ parts).

Gaming cards do not have certified drivers and thus have multiple issues with graphics quality and artifacts on the screen. So unless you're willing to deal with flaky soft mods and other hacks a gamer card is out of the question.

Go to IT if you need a Dell crap-in-a-box, otherwise ask the engineer or the company making the software what hardware is best. There's nothing worse than IT making hardware decisions for the engineering department. :p



i didnt say it doesnt rely on a graphics card, i said a gaming card works fine for autocad.

you are right, they done certify them but they test them and 90% of them work just fine. see for yourself here: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/s...R17.1&os=1&os=2&os=256


iv been using acad since r8 and still use it everyday. i know what works and what doesnt.
 

sgrinavi

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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
what program are you doing the modeling in? if you're only doing autocad you dont need quadro.

Incorrect.. 3d AutoCad relies heavily on the graphics card. 2d uses it as well, just not as exclusively.

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
i'v never used that program but from personal experience (solidworks, inventor & pro e) a good gaming card is fine for 3d modeling unless you deal with large assemblies (1000+ parts).

Gaming cards do not have certified drivers and thus have multiple issues with graphics quality and artifacts on the screen. So unless you're willing to deal with flaky soft mods and other hacks a gamer card is out of the question.

Go to IT if you need a Dell crap-in-a-box, otherwise ask the engineer or the company making the software what hardware is best. There's nothing worse than IT making hardware decisions for the engineering department. :p

I used to think the same, but this new gen of cards has changed my mind a bit. I do plenty of 3dsMAX 9 and AutoCAD Architecture 3d work with various 8800 cards, I have to say they ALL outperform the (last gen) $2000 quadro solution ( I think it's a 3450) in my dual xeon workstation... I'm looking for a newer quadro (g92 based) benchmark, but they are difficult to locate.

YES, you give up some support from the software mfrs, but I'm not having any artifact or instability issues.

I have seen some write-ups that indicate the new gen of ATI gaming video adaptors do an better job in those apps; I'm considering a 3850/70 crossfire setup.
 

43st

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Originally posted by: sgrinavi
Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
what program are you doing the modeling in? if you're only doing autocad you dont need quadro.

Incorrect.. 3d AutoCad relies heavily on the graphics card. 2d uses it as well, just not as exclusively.

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
i'v never used that program but from personal experience (solidworks, inventor & pro e) a good gaming card is fine for 3d modeling unless you deal with large assemblies (1000+ parts).

Gaming cards do not have certified drivers and thus have multiple issues with graphics quality and artifacts on the screen. So unless you're willing to deal with flaky soft mods and other hacks a gamer card is out of the question.

Go to IT if you need a Dell crap-in-a-box, otherwise ask the engineer or the company making the software what hardware is best. There's nothing worse than IT making hardware decisions for the engineering department. :p

I used to think the same, but this new gen of cards has changed my mind a bit. I do plenty of 3dsMAX 9 and AutoCAD Architecture 3d work with various 8800 cards, I have to say they ALL outperform the (last gen) $2000 quadro solution ( I think it's a 3450) in my dual xeon workstation... I'm looking for a newer quadro (g92 based) benchmark, but they are difficult to locate.

YES, you give up some support from the software mfrs, but I'm not having any artifact or instability issues.

I have seen some write-ups that indicate the new gen of ATI gaming video adaptors do an better job in those apps; I'm considering a 3850/70 crossfire setup.

Interesting.. I have far more issues when I'm using AutoCad on my home computer (8800 GTS) than my older slower work computer (FX 1400). It's mostly in solids accuracy and the slow degradation of the image over time, which forces me to reopen the file once in a while. I'm doing machine design mostly, all 3d.

I agree it's much better than it used to be, and keep in mind I'm using AutoCad and Inventor only. It's just not the same, and it is a pain for me to deal with considering the much more stable and accurate (and slower) FX 1400.
 

Modelworks

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I use both gaming cards and quadro cards with Max2008, Maya, XSI.
They both work pretty well.
The only reason I recommend quadro cards now is a conversation I had with Autodesk last month.

I needed support for a problem we were having with Maya and was promptly told that the machine that was running with a gaming card was not eligible for support because it was running on unqualified hardware. I ended up solving the problem myself, but if your not in the position where your company can provide its own support, do not go with gaming cards.
 

sgrinavi

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Originally posted by: Modelworks

I needed support for a problem we were having with Maya and was promptly told that the machine that was running with a gaming card was not eligible for support because it was running on unqualified hardware. I ended up solving the problem myself, but if your not in the position where your company can provide its own support, do not go with gaming cards.

AutoDesk is sooooo lame sometimes. Just an excuse not to provide support, the only help I have ever been able to get was from my reseller. I give those guys $6000 a year for my subscription service and am about to plunk down another $3500 for a new seat.. How about some customer service?
 

Aenslead

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Quadro 1700 is about 15-20% faster than the past generation 1500. Quadro FX 1500-like performance is now availbale with the FX 570.
 

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Originally posted by: Aenslead
Quadro 1700 is about 15-20% faster than the past generation 1500. Quadro FX 1500-like performance is now availbale with the FX 570.

Can you elaborate on that? There's an enormous difference between the 1500 and 570 in price so I'm skeptical but very interested in your statement.
 

Denithor

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Just look for a FireGL V7700 (pro line 3870) on eBay. Sgrinavi has pointed out several of them to me selling in the $200 (auction) to $350 (BIN) range.

That'll handle your needs easily.
 

sgrinavi

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Originally posted by: Lufusol
Originally posted by: Aenslead
Quadro 1700 is about 15-20% faster than the past generation 1500. Quadro FX 1500-like performance is now availbale with the FX 570.

Can you elaborate on that? There's an enormous difference between the 1500 and 570 in price so I'm skeptical but very interested in your statement.

Here's a compairson of low end quadros for you. BUT, I would steer clear. You will realize more performance from a gamer card than you will these low end Quadros