Quad Core Intel Xeon E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz = equivalent to what AMD CPU?

[Trizik]

taking everything into consideration, what AMD CPU is most equivalent to the Quad Core Intel Xeon E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz when used strictly for a game server?

 

[Acanthus]

taking everything into consideration, what AMD CPU is most equivalent to the Quad Core Intel Xeon E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz when used strictly for a game server?

Somewhere between a Phenom II X4 920 and Phenom II X4 940.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/778-1/giant-roundup-131-intel-and-amd-processors.html

You will be slightly slower than Q9550 on that chart.

 

[Trizik]

in terms of server CPUs though, as in AMD's quad core Opterons

i'll be running 2 x quad core CPUs and i'm trying to figure out what AMD processor is equivalent to Intel's quad core Xeon E5410 because that's the minimal processing power i need

 

[Acanthus]

in terms of server CPUs though, as in AMD's quad core Opterons

i'll be running 2 x quad core CPUs and i'm trying to figure out what AMD processor is equivalent to Intel's quad core Xeon E5410 because that's the minimal processing power i need

Opterons scale a little better, but the comparison would be largely the same.

 

[Trizik]

is it safe to say that 1 core of an AMD Opteron 2347 HE @ 1.9GHz would be able to host a lag-free game server that requires 1 core of an Intel Xeon E5410 @ 2.33GHz?

 

[jones377]

Are you only going to run 1 gameserver on the system? If that is the case then single threaded performance is what you need, don't even bother with quadcore. Intel leads over AMD by quite a bit in single threaded performance.

IF you're gonna load the machine with multiple gameservers then Opteron deserves a closer look. With only a single socket though, the Xeons will probably be better, even the older Harperton based ones. Opterons only really shine with 2+ sockets.

 

[Trizik]

i'm going to run multiple single-threaded game servers each on its own core (each core will be designated to a server)

this is exactly what other game server admins do and they report good results with Intel's quad core Xeon E5410 Harperton @ 2.33GHz

i'll have two quad core CPUs, which basically means i'll be able to run at least 8 game servers with that Intel CPU

but i want to know what the AMD equivalent is and if it would be a better option before i buy anything

thanks

 

[aigomorla]

correct me if im wrong, but isnt that a LGA771 cpu? and not a LGA775?

 

[Trizik]

you are correct; Xeon E5410 Harperton is LGA 771

 

[aigomorla]

wont fit in standard boards.

You cant really overclock a LGA771 minus software moding.

Well, you can also bsel mod them.

But why are you comparing a LGA771 (enterprise) over a Phenom (consumer)?

@ 2.33ghz, its gonna be slow... most of the current PHII's which have a stock clock of higher would clobber it.

If you want a cheap mass core server... I dont think you can beat this setup, unless you wanted to invest in a new gainestown setup.

Follow the thread..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237196

But a 4x4 AMD setup would be pretty badass, and you can get them for cheap if you look around.

 

[jones377]

I haven't seen any gameserver benchmarks anywhere. But generally speaking, the more threads and sockets used in the system, the greater the advantage for Opteron over the older FSB based Xeons. So while you may need a 3GHz K10.5 2 to match 2.6GHz Harperton on a single socket desktop, the reverse may hold true at 4 socket servers. A 2 socket system would fall somewhere in between I guess.

I'd recommend a Nehalem based server though. Something like the Xeon E5506 Nehalem 2.13GHz will probably perform even better than the old Harperton despite being slightly lower clocked and costs about the same (not sure about the motherboard/RAM tho)

 

[Trizik]

i'm going for a dual socket + quad core CPUs build dedicated entirely to SINGLE-THREADED game server software

everyone keeps recommending Nehalem over Harpertown so i guess i should just take the advice and do away with Harpertown already

this is what i know:

- a single core of Intel's Quad Core Xeon E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz performs well enough for my requirements
- Nehalems perform better than Harpertowns
- AMD Opterons perform better than Intel at equal clock speeds in a multi socket, multi core setup (right?)

what i don't know:

- is the above all true when it comes to single-thread software?
- when comparing the performance of EACH CORE, what quad core AMD CPU is equivalent to Intel's quad core Xeon E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz?

 

[alyarb]

- AMD Opterons perform better than Intel at equal clock speeds in a multi socket, multi core setup (right?)

what i don't know:

- is the above all true when it comes to single-thread software?
- when comparing the performance of EACH CORE, what quad core AMD CPU is equivalent to Intel's quad core Xeon E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz?

No. Opterons are a touch slower than harpertown per clock. Considerably slower than Gainestown per clock. You will need a 2.5 GHz Opteron to approximate a 2.33 GHz Harpertown.

The Opteron 2380 is a 2.5 GHz 45nm quad-core that goes for about $325 at provantage, about $65 more than a 2.33 GHz Harpertown. Therefore you are better off getting a dual socket 771 system unless expandability to a 12-core server is important.

However, if expandability is *really* important, you should realize that the nehalem-based E5506 is the same price as a 2.33 GHz Harpertown, and a little faster, so nehalem is both the fastest and most cost effective server for you to get, and gives you an upgrade to gulftown.

 

[Trizik]

geez i had it so backwards, i thought the AMD Opteron @ 1.9GHz performs almost as well as the Intel Xeon Harpertown @ 2.33GHz

You will need a 2.5 GHz Opteron to approximate a 2.33 GHz Harpertown.

the answer i was looking for, thank you

expandability isn't important, i'm only concerned about meeting my current needs

but the fact that the E5506 Nehalem 2.13GHz performs better than the E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz for about the same price makes it seem silly to go the Harpertown route

thanks for the info

 

[alyarb]

geez i had it so backwards, i thought the AMD @ 1.9GHz performs almost as well as the Intel Xeon @ 2.33GHz

it used to be that way.

 

[Trizik]

do you think the E5504 Nehalem 2.0GHz performs as well as the E5410 Harpertown 2.33GHz?

 

[alyarb]

yeah it should be close enough.

 

[aigomorla]

i'm going for a dual socket + quad core CPUs build dedicated entirely to SINGLE-THREADED game server software

everyone keeps recommending Nehalem over Harpertown so i guess i should just take the advice and do away with Harpertown already

So im lost why do you want more cores then?
Are you gonna virtualize and run a series of servers on 1 machine?
Whats your main objective?

No. Opterons are a touch slower than harpertown per clock. Considerably slower than Gainestown per clock. You will need a 2.5 GHz Opteron to approximate a 2.33 GHz Harpertown.

The Opteron 2380 is a 2.5 GHz 45nm quad-core that goes for about $325 at provantage, about $65 more than a 2.33 GHz Harpertown. Therefore you are better off getting a dual socket 771 system unless expandability to a 12-core server is important.

No right now the quad socket optys + cpu's are VERY VERY cheap.
Even almost at a steal if you look though ebay.

Which is why i was pushing him on a 16c opty system.
However im completely lost in the OP's objective now..

I was thinking he would run a bunch of servers off 1 machine.
16C ~ 14 instances of virtualization where each is a dedicated server, and leave 2 cores for the OS and maping.

If all you need is 1 server.. or even 2-3 why are u even going on server?
Grab an i7 set HT ON, and let it fly.
Dont bother with enterprise... you can get a workstation i7 which has near reliability, and be faster then the harper.

Give the i7 a slight qpi bump, since were not talking mission critcal DB's, and you can even give a 2 socket harper a good run for its money on a single socket i7.

If you even have the budget to invest, grab a single gulftown then.
6c/12t is an absolute monster.

I would know because im on both a full blown gainestown server... which is a dual i7, and a single gulftown.

 

[alyarb]

there are no competitively priced opterons on ebay unless you're talking about Barcelona, in which case he would probably need 2.8 GHz to compete with a 2.33 GHz harpertown, which just isn't going to happen.


he is virtualizing many game servers with one core per server. VMware does not recognize hyperthreads as a physical core so it's not even worth mentioning. i would get the cheapest dual-socket gainestown machine you can find.

 

[aigomorla]

he is virtualizing many game servers with one core per server. VMware does not recognize hyperthreads as a physical core so it's not even worth mentioning. i would get the cheapest dual-socket gainestown machine you can find.

There is no such thing as CHEAP dualsocket gainestown.

Thats like saying get the cheapest porsche 911 turbo you can possibly find. :sneaky:

JFAMD said it best.. if it has Intel stamped next to it... and its enterprise.. IT WONT BE CHEAP!

Did you follow that link i posted above on XS?
A few guys were going crazy at that deal, and hell i almost got suckered.

OP how many servers do you intend to run on that one machine?
Realistically.. also keep note, you better have the bandwith to support all those servers, or it will be moot.

Im really thinking a Workstation i7 single socket, with a ton of ram, and a slight qpi bump would be your best choice.

 

[alyarb]

That post from 4 months ago? Yeah I saw it, and none of those "deals" are going on anymore. If you check ebay today you will see there are no high quality new parts with a warranty from a reliable seller at a good price.

The best deal is a 2.5 GHz Opty for $210, but it's used and only has a 30 day warranty. Any Opteron cheaper than $200 is 2 GHz or slower which we've deduced to be unacceptable for the performance we're looking for. Quad socket boards are cheap and sketchy and that's fine, but getting an opteron with a high enough frequency to equal a 2.33 GHz gainestown is too expensive. If I were shelling out thousands for a game server with no redundancy the least I could do would be to go for a brand new intel system that isn't *that* much more expensive than a used Frankenstein a la ebay. The only real difference is that you can save $100 with a used Socket F board on ebay over a new dual 1366 on newegg. And you have to use DDR3.

The Xeon E5504 is $230 and runs at 2 GHz. It doesn't have HT but it is one hell of a lot faster than K10 at 2.5 GHz@$210 and can be run in 2S (but not 4). That is 8 cores at 2 GHz for $460 (lol but there's an 8-threaded E5520 on ebay for $260! nice, but these short-lived opportunities don't reliably illustrate the value of the server).

 

[aigomorla]

The Xeon E5504 is $230 and runs at 2 GHz. It doesn't have HT but it is one hell of a lot faster than K10 at 2.5 GHz@$210 and can be run in 2S (but not 4). That is 8 cores at 2 GHz for $460 (lol but there's an 8-threaded E5520 on ebay for $260! nice, but these short-lived opportunities don't reliably illustrate the value of the server).

yeah but the 300-400 dollar gainesy board is whats gonna kill him. ()
So will the DDR3-ECC ram...

i dont think the op wants to spend a lot on the server.
It looks like he's a clan leader and wants a dedicated server.

That is why i am saying does he even need enterprise eq?

 

[Fox5]

You'd be better off with an i7 desktop machine than going with xeons and opterons.

 

[alyarb]

i'm just trying to get him the performance per thread he says he needs. DDR3 ECC prices aren't that bad, but of course all of it added together is expensive. What did you expect? You could spend $400 on opterons and then get a ~$150 refurbed ebay mobo and some old memory and have 8 threads that aren't fast enough, or you could do it right and get a new intel machine for $100-200 more. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to get a $400 motherboard when there are $260-290 boards that are fine for this machine. DDR2 vs DDR3 prices aren't that bad either.

As Fox5 says, the best thing to do here would be to build cheap consumer machines. You could have 4 quad core servers for less than the cost of a single 8-core nehalem server considering how cheap Athlon II X4+785G combos are. Since you are virtualizing the game servers one core at a time, this would be just as easy to implement and would run faster since even a lowly desktop CPU can reliably clock well over 3 GHz, all for much less money.

If you want an 8 core server and are trying to squeeze the necessary performance into a single machine, it's going to be gainestown and don't be surprised if it's more expensive than a home PC.

 

[Arkaign]

i'm just trying to get him the performance per thread he says he needs. DDR3 ECC prices aren't that bad, but of course all of it added together is expensive. What did you expect? You could spend $400 on opterons and then get a ~$150 refurbed ebay mobo and some old memory and have 8 threads that aren't fast enough, or you could do it right and get a new intel machine for $100-200 more. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to get a $400 motherboard when there are $260-290 boards that are fine for this machine. DDR2 vs DDR3 prices aren't that bad either.

As Fox5 says, the best thing to do here would be to build cheap consumer machines. You could have 4 quad core servers for less than the cost of a single 8-core nehalem server considering how cheap Athlon II X4+785G combos are. Since you are virtualizing the game servers one core at a time, this would be just as easy to implement and would run faster since even a lowly desktop CPU can reliably clock well over 3 GHz, all for much less money.

If you want an 8 core server and are trying to squeeze the necessary performance into a single machine, it's going to be gainestown and don't be surprised if it's more expensive than a home PC.

I don't know how much $ the OP has, but a dual S771 mobo and two E5410s + say 8GB of DDR3-ECC is going to be hideously expensive. It makes a lot more logical sense to just build two quad-core consumer boxes if he's going to be doing utterly separate application processes on it (which don't benefit in any way whatsoever from running on the same box).

Solution :

Build two PhII 955BE boxes, with 4GB DDR3 each, and I guarantee that even with the duplication of cases/PSU/drives, it will come out with a higher net result of price/performance (as well as peak performance, even a PhII @ 3.4ghz will run circles around a 2.33ghz Harpertown).

Yeah, so pretty much what you said up there ^^ Consumer quad-cores >>>>> Backoffice style multi-socket setups for $/perf.