Qore: Presented by PSN = Demos and Betas for $$$

[SAWYER]

Thread and title all from hidefdigest

http://blog.us.playstation.com...tain-with-playstation/

 

[shingletingle]

Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the thought process leading up to that decision.

 

[biggestmuff]

LOL

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: shingletingle
Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the though process leading up to that decision.

GT5 Prologue?

 

[shingletingle]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: shingletingle
Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the though process leading up to that decision.

GT5 Prologue?

Good point.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: shingletingle
Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the thought process leading up to that decision.

they aren't really charging for demos. This reminds me more of the old PlayStation Underground more than anything. Sounds like early access to things, beta invites, and early previews and whatnot. Again, much like the PlayStation Underground, but now downloaded instead of mailed, and monthly instead of quarterly.
Except PU was during the time that downloading demos wasn't an option, so demo discs were the only way to get them. But they had a lot of good stuff on the PU discs. Then it merged with The US Official PlayStation Magazine.

edit: before this is seen as me defending Sony like I swear a lot of people love to say I do... I won't be getting this. I can wait to get all the demos and news. It sounds like someone at Sony was thinking purely of the PlayStation Underground, said "what if we bring that concept to the PSN" and poof, here we are. Sadly, in this day and age, it's kind of worthless.

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[Modeps]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: shingletingle
Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the thought process leading up to that decision.

they aren't really charging for demos. This reminds me more of the old PlayStation Underground more than anything. Sounds like early access to things, beta invites, and early previews and whatnot. Again, much like the PlayStation Underground, but now downloaded instead of mailed, and monthly instead of quarterly.
Except PU was during the time that downloading demos wasn't an option, so demo discs were the only way to get them. But they had a lot of good stuff on the PU discs. Then it merged with The US Official PlayStation Magazine.

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Oh, so its Xbox Live Gold, in 'magazine' format.

 

[galperi1]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: shingletingle
Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the thought process leading up to that decision.

they aren't really charging for demos. This reminds me more of the old PlayStation Underground more than anything. Sounds like early access to things, beta invites, and early previews and whatnot. Again, much like the PlayStation Underground, but now downloaded instead of mailed, and monthly instead of quarterly.
Except PU was during the time that downloading demos wasn't an option, so demo discs were the only way to get them. But they had a lot of good stuff on the PU discs. Then it merged with The US Official PlayStation Magazine.

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Oh, so its Xbox Live Gold, in 'magazine' format.

Not really.... if you read the comments in the PS Blog this will be stuff that WON'T be available for free on PSN ever. So if a demo was never going to be on the PSN for free anyway this is where you would get it (or a beta invite, etc.)

This is NOT like Xbox Live where the silver users have to wait for a demo for a week after the gold users.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: galperi1
Not really.... if you read the comments in the PS Blog this will be stuff that WON'T be available for free on PSN ever. So if a demo was never going to be on the PSN for free anyway this is where you would get it (or a beta invite, etc.)

This is NOT like Xbox Live where the silver users have to wait for a demo for a week after the gold users.

From the linked site:

Qore will feature exclusive news, developer interviews, in-depth game previews and behind-the-scenes looks at PlayStation games and special access to game demos, special beta invitations, game add-ons and other downloadable game-related content.

I cant imagine that any of those things, save the beta invites, will be limited to only this Qore service. Developers WILL NOT engineer a game demo simply to put on this, it just wont happen unless Sony mandates that ALL DEMOS will be on Qore. If that happens, expect the PS3 to lose a lot, if not ALL of their demos. Any in-game content you'll get through this will need to also be offered ala XBLM.

The information contained within Qore, just like with print magazines will be free the moment it comes out through the series of tubes. Plus, if developers want to get the word out about their game, this will not be the only place where you can get the info... it would be a disservice.

The 360 has "Inside Xbox" that offers similar video content on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis, for free... Available to everyone through the 360 or Xbox.com. Its not HD, but who cares? It doesn't really need to be.

I just don't see the point of paying for this service. Sony is effectively going to nickel and dime its PSN users instead of making them pay a yearly/monthly fee like MS does.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: shingletingle

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: shingletingle
Charging for demos would be completely idiotic. If that is true, I simply cannot understand the though process leading up to that decision.

GT5 Prologue?

Good point.

GT5 Prologue is a lot more than a demo. If you've played it, you'd know better.

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I just don't see the point of paying for this service. Sony is effectively going to nickel and dime its PSN users instead of making them pay a yearly/monthly fee like MS does.

Hey, if I get the chance to be in an online LBP beta for $2.99, that's a great deal compared to Live.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: galperi1
Not really.... if you read the comments in the PS Blog this will be stuff that WON'T be available for free on PSN ever. So if a demo was never going to be on the PSN for free anyway this is where you would get it (or a beta invite, etc.)

This is NOT like Xbox Live where the silver users have to wait for a demo for a week after the gold users.

From the linked site:

Qore will feature exclusive news, developer interviews, in-depth game previews and behind-the-scenes looks at PlayStation games and special access to game demos, special beta invitations, game add-ons and other downloadable game-related content.

I cant imagine that any of those things, save the beta invites, will be limited to only this Qore service. Developers WILL NOT engineer a game demo simply to put on this, it just wont happen unless Sony mandates that ALL DEMOS will be on Qore. If that happens, expect the PS3 to lose a lot, if not ALL of their demos. Any in-game content you'll get through this will need to also be offered ala XBLM.

The information contained within Qore, just like with print magazines will be free the moment it comes out through the series of tubes. Plus, if developers want to get the word out about their game, this will not be the only place where you can get the info... it would be a disservice.

The 360 has "Inside Xbox" that offers similar video content on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis, for free... Available to everyone through the 360 or Xbox.com. Its not HD, but who cares? It doesn't really need to be.

I just don't see the point of paying for this service. Sony is effectively going to nickel and dime its PSN users instead of making them pay a yearly/monthly fee like MS does.

and with that, I don't know how I feel. I think nickle and diming could be better than a flat subscription fee, because people can then pay for only what they will use. Why pay a flat rate if you aren't going to use the online services all that much? Currently, I only use the Net on my PS3 to access the PSN Store, to either download demos or videos, or every now and then buy a game. I don't play online games that often, because I have more fun with the stories of single player games. I'm not good enough to be competitive with the controller, so I get bored in FPS multiplayer matches, unless its just screwing around like me and my buddies do with COD4 on the 360, where we all play only one weapon in hardcore mode and just screw around 4-player.

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[mugs]

Originally posted by: destrekor
and with that, I don't know how I feel. I think nickle and diming could be better than a flat subscription fee, because people can then pay for only what they will use. Why pay a flat rate if you aren't going to use the online services all that much? Currently, I only use the Net on my PS3 to access the PSN Store, to either download demos or videos, or every now and then buy a game. I don't play online games that often, because I have more fun with the stories of single player games. I'm not good enough to be competitive with the controller, so I get bored in FPS multiplayer matches, unless its just screwing around like me and my buddies do with COD4 on the 360, where we all play only one weapon in hardcore mode and just screw around 4-player.

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I assume you're comparing this to the subscription fee that MS charges (since Sony obviously doesn't charge a subscription fee), but all of the stuff that you mention can be done with an XBL Silver account. You wouldn't need to pay anything to do that stuff on either system (except to buy stuff)

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Sony were torn a new one over this on the Giant Bomb podcast.

 

[arredondo]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I just don't see the point of paying for this service. Sony is effectively going to nickel and dime its PSN users instead of making them pay a yearly/monthly fee like MS does.

In their blog comment section, Sony reps say demos and videos will continue to be offered for free over the PSN. The monthly Qore is for added content on top of that, presented in a monthly video production format. They also said betas (like SOCOM) will have multiple ways for people to enter (not just Qore).

The main thing that's important is that the PS3 remains 100% free to play online games on (outside of MMORPG subscriptions). Since Sony isn't adjusting that model at all, there is no comparison to what they force you to pay for on the X360 with XBL. You can ignore Qore and still enjoy your purchased games online with friends. XBL.... not so much.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: arredondo

Originally posted by: Modeps
I just don't see the point of paying for this service. Sony is effectively going to nickel and dime its PSN users instead of making them pay a yearly/monthly fee like MS does.

In their blog comment section, Sony reps say demos and videos will continue to be offered for free over the PSN. The monthly Qore is for added content on top of that, presented in a monthly video production format. They also said betas (like SOCOM) will have multiple ways for people to enter (not just Qore).

The main thing that's important is that the PS3 remains 100% free to play online games on (outside of MMORPG subscriptions). Since Sony isn't adjusting that model at all, there is no comparison to what they force you to pay for on the X360 with XBL. You can ignore Qore and still enjoy your purchased games online with friends. XBL.... not so much.

Ok, so if demos will still be offered for free, what's the value of this service? Earlier released demos (xbox live gold?) If betas have multiple ways of entering, again, what's the value?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Ok, so if demos will still be offered for free, what's the value of this service? Earlier released demos (xbox live gold?) If betas have multiple ways of entering, again, what's the value?

Presumably you have a better shot at getting into a beta if you subscribe.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Modeps
Ok, so if demos will still be offered for free, what's the value of this service? Earlier released demos (xbox live gold?) If betas have multiple ways of entering, again, what's the value?

Presumably you have a better shot at getting into a beta if you subscribe.

Maybe so, but I'm just not seeing a reason for people to pay for this stuff. Of course, I dont have a PS3 yet so I wont have the option to buy it... but I'm just looking at it objectively. Maybe they'll roll out something cool with it in the futures that'll seem cooler.

Anyways, i'm interested to hear what Giant Bomb has to say. I've got the show on my ipod... but havent listened. Anyone got a time for the discussion?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Modeps
Ok, so if demos will still be offered for free, what's the value of this service? Earlier released demos (xbox live gold?) If betas have multiple ways of entering, again, what's the value?

Presumably you have a better shot at getting into a beta if you subscribe.

Maybe so, but I'm just not seeing a reason for people to pay for this stuff. Of course, I dont have a PS3 yet so I wont have the option to buy it... but I'm just looking at it objectively. Maybe they'll roll out something cool with it in the futures that'll seem cooler.

Anyways, i'm interested to hear what Giant Bomb has to say. I've got the show on my ipod... but havent listened. Anyone got a time for the discussion?

I have a PS3 and I'm not really interested in this myself. Unless there is something I'm missing.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Modeps
Ok, so if demos will still be offered for free, what's the value of this service? Earlier released demos (xbox live gold?) If betas have multiple ways of entering, again, what's the value?

Presumably you have a better shot at getting into a beta if you subscribe.

Maybe so, but I'm just not seeing a reason for people to pay for this stuff. Of course, I dont have a PS3 yet so I wont have the option to buy it... but I'm just looking at it objectively. Maybe they'll roll out something cool with it in the futures that'll seem cooler.

Anyways, i'm interested to hear what Giant Bomb has to say. I've got the show on my ipod... but havent listened. Anyone got a time for the discussion?

I have a PS3 and I'm not really interested in this myself. Unless there is something I'm missing.

I think we're just missing the AWESOME.

 

[oznerol]

Companies charging us for content we have the option to buy or not! Recockulous!

I don't even have a PS3 but I'm signing up just because it's spelled with a Q, which makes it hardQORE!

Sony has always been very clear they intend on making money piecemeal. I can't help but think that the more PSN matures, the more pay-as-you-go features will come up. I'm actually a bit intrigued by how they plan on nickel-and-diming customers for Home - and moreso Little Big Planet.

People would pay $3 for a demo. I wouldn't. But people would. Mainly because people are retarded. Don't get me wrong, I'm retarded, too, but not enough to pay for a demo of a game that I would also have to buy.

I'm also a little drunk.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: ducci
People would pay $3 for a demo. I wouldn't. But people would. Mainly because people are retarded. Don't get me wrong, I'm retarded, too, but not enough to pay for a demo of a game that I would also have to buy.

I'm also a little drunk.

I thought your post was funny Ducci.

 

[arredondo]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: arredondo

Originally posted by: Modeps
I just don't see the point of paying for this service. Sony is effectively going to nickel and dime its PSN users instead of making them pay a yearly/monthly fee like MS does.

In their blog comment section, Sony reps say demos and videos will continue to be offered for free over the PSN. The monthly Qore is for added content on top of that, presented in a monthly video production format. They also said betas (like SOCOM) will have multiple ways for people to enter (not just Qore).

The main thing that's important is that the PS3 remains 100% free to play online games on (outside of MMORPG subscriptions). Since Sony isn't adjusting that model at all, there is no comparison to what they force you to pay for on the X360 with XBL. You can ignore Qore and still enjoy your purchased games online with friends. XBL.... not so much.

Ok, so if demos will still be offered for free, what's the value of this service? Earlier released demos (xbox live gold?) If betas have multiple ways of entering, again, what's the value?

The value is the program itself (in Sony's eyes), not unlike the value some see in a monthly subscription to a magazine or a daily subscription to the newspaper. They apparently think the slick production values of the online show and interactivity of it all will make it worth it, like a next-gen PlayStation Underground from the PSOne/PS2 days.

I'm not saying it is worth it to ME, but if someone wants to pay for it who are we to complain? My point is, unlike XBL, we still get online play on the PS3 for FREE. When I use my PS3 for online activity, 98% of that is for playing games online. Keeping that free is all I care about.

Still, Sony is still giving us free demos/videos/beta access for the other 2% of what I do. Now they want to charge for extra content on top of that... if people will buy it why not? I barely dload 10% of the free stuff as it is to start whining about this non-issue (and I have an internal 320GB hard drive in my PS3).

 

[arredondo]

Well, so much for the lame XBL comparisons because of Qore. It was just launched today with the normal Thursday release, and lookie-here... PS3 owners still got three demos and seven videos to download for free on the PSN.

Seriously, PSN and XBL remain completely different entities. The "free-ness" of the PSN for those who primarily play online games with their console is still by far the best feature of the two services IMHO. Now that we know the other content remains mostly free, there's little else in this thread to complain about, no?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: arredondo

Seriously, PSN and XBL remain completely different entities. The "free-ness" of the PSN for those who primarily play online games with their console is still by far the best feature of the two services IMHO. Now that we know the other content remains mostly free, there's little else in this thread to complain about, no?

I think millions of people would disagree with your humble opinion.