Q&A: Porsche?s Top Execs; defending the ugly Cayenne

ElFenix

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from the A pillar back it looks like a passat wagon
 

Windogg

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I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

i think he has some "understanding" with the bmw dealer
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

i think he has some "understanding" with the bmw dealer

You mean; "You scratch my back, I'll scrath yours?"
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SpoiledChild

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I really don't see anything wrong with a twin turbo charged SUV that goes 0-60 in under 5 seconds, handles like a regular car, and has all the practicality of an SUV..
 

CraigRT

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that is an ugly pile of crap.. made by some other company sure, but PORSCHE? no respect... :disgust:
 

Phuz

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

How can you see the Cayenne and FX45 at such opposite ends of the spectrum?
 

Windogg

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

After I did the math with similar options, the price difference between the FX45 and the X5 4.6is is less than $10K. Plus you can only get 8 way seats for the driver and 4 way for the passenger. It'll be hard to give up the 16 way seats. Plus all my passengers like the powered rear seats with heat and climate control systems. Other items not available include auto dimming on all mirrors including the outside mirrors. Amazing how much more comfortable it is to drive at night. Warranty is the same but I like the all inclusive 48/48000 service. Taking into account, it saves around $2K- $3K. Taking into account the GVWR, I can't get the huge tax break like I get with the X5 4.6is. Then it comes down to the intangibles such as the overall feel of the car. In the end, the projected long term TCO and cash outlay is less with the X5. I didn't get where I am today by not doing the full math and taking things at face value.

Damn shame the M5 can't get the same breaks but that car is just for fun anyway.

Windogg

EDIT: Oh wait, also can't forget 3 days of ///M and X5 school at the BMW Performance Center. All inclusive.
 

ElFenix

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wtf is a 16 way seat?

porsche car 4 should be a sport sedan.
 

Windogg

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
wtf is a 16 way seat?

porsche car 4 should be a sport sedan.


The seats move in 16 different directions. The best is the upper half and the lower half of the seat back and both tilt forward and back to better conform to the shape of your back. Plus the Alcantara leather is great. Its not real leather but a synthetic suede used in Formula 1 cars and high performance ultralight planes. More grip than leather and more give than cloth. The best of both in a nice sturdy material.

Ask Klee58, she drove the X5 last time she was in Boston. From the "WAHOO!!!!" I'd say she had a good time. She even took it to about 65MPH in a 30MPH zone. :)

Windogg
 

Zenmervolt

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Meh, so Porsche made car that's kind of ugly. Let's see here, what other Porsche were considered ugly when they appeared? The 356. The 911. The 914. Ugly or not, Porsches have always been technically excellent, and the Cayenne continues that tradition.

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boyRacer

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On paper its definitely impressive... it's not even about looks though... i'm still with the Porsche fanboys who think an SUV shouldn't be wearing a Porsche badge. :p But... it has to... just to appeal to the yuppies that hang out at Starbucks. :D
 

Nemesis77

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It has been kinda growing on to me. And it does look alot better in person! Still, I would much rather get a Touareg V10 TDI :D!
 

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

Its a Nissan, how can u even compare them? besides it looks like the typical generic faceless mass car
 

Phuz

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EDIT: Oh wait, also can't forget 3 days of ///M and X5 school at the BMW Performance Center. All inclusive.

Oh my! I saw a show about that on SPEED channel. You're very lucky..
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

Its a Nissan, how can u even compare them? besides it looks like the typical generic faceless mass car

And I'd still take a G35 over a 330i...but that's just me :)
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

Its a Nissan, how can u even compare them? besides it looks like the typical generic faceless mass car

And I'd still take a G35 over a 330i...but that's just me :)
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bolido2000

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Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Windogg
I think I'll trade the 4.6is for a 4.8is. Old Alpina engine for a new Alpine engine (plus 6 speed auto). Skip the Cayenne. I canceled my test drive appointment.

Windogg

Why not get this instead? :D Faster than the X5 4.6is, stops better, handles better, has more cargo space, looks better, and is about $20,000 cheaper :D

Its a Nissan, how can u even compare them? besides it looks like the typical generic faceless mass car

Define a car with a "face"
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It pisses me off how it has pretty much become a cliche to bash the japanese design and praise everything that comes from Germany. The X5 is ugly. Yes and I consider it a "faceless" truck (just the design, not the performace). Same thing with the Passat. Those cocky bigot European car reviewers have brainwashed society. The FX45 and Murano truly stand out.