Putting on weight

[allies]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: allies
F22... yes I workout... and I run a lot. I'm gonna be a sophomore in college, but I still run with my highschool team during the summer months, and workout every other day (rotating muscle groups) with another runner, and also do plyometrics. I'm not just spouting off BS. I think Amused has a pretty fair assessment on protein needs. I asked my mom this morning and she said that all the studies have not shown any need to have over 1.8g/Kg of body weight. Anything over goes unused, and if you have functioning kidneys, it is NOT excreted in urine, but instead the amino acids that form from it are stored as fat.

If you want me to make a spreadsheet with the formula, I will later today.

Edit: Also about creatine, in studies 1/3 of the subjects do not respond to it at all, and the other 2/3s have a tendency to develop injuries. I'd say be careful if you want to incorporate supplemental creatine in your diet.

Amused has bacially said what I have said, although he incorporates it as lean body weight.

And, I am just LOL'ing at your creatine comment, typical nutritionalist crap. They do study nurtition, but they do not do weightlifting stuides etc.

When you can go squat over 600lbs, and bench over 400lbs, with 50g's of protein per day, PM me, I'll be waiting. Until then, I understand you beleive what you think to be right, but there are many, and I mean pretty much everyone in any weightlifitng federation you can find, that disagrees with you.

Don't be lame. I never said you only needed 50g of protein a day. Anyway, my mom teaches, as well as works at an athletic facility where she does executive physicals for many people, including olympic athletes, as well as weight lifters. I'm not 100% positive that she has/has not done a study about the benefits of creatine on lifting, but she has studies that prove what I said earlier. I said be careful if you supplement your diet with creatine, because muscle tears as well as other weightlifting injuries are more prevelant. And there are a group of non-responders. That's backed up with data, you don't have any.

Edit: When you can do the above (bench 400/squat 600) and run 6 consecutive sub 6 miles, or even a 4:25 mile, even with your supplements, let me know. Until then, I understand that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about my health.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: allies
F22... yes I workout... and I run a lot. I'm gonna be a sophomore in college, but I still run with my highschool team during the summer months, and workout every other day (rotating muscle groups) with another runner, and also do plyometrics. I'm not just spouting off BS. I think Amused has a pretty fair assessment on protein needs. I asked my mom this morning and she said that all the studies have not shown any need to have over 1.8g/Kg of body weight. Anything over goes unused, and if you have functioning kidneys, it is NOT excreted in urine, but instead the amino acids that form from it are stored as fat.

If you want me to make a spreadsheet with the formula, I will later today.

Edit: Also about creatine, in studies 1/3 of the subjects do not respond to it at all, and the other 2/3s have a tendency to develop injuries. I'd say be careful if you want to incorporate supplemental creatine in your diet.

Amused has bacially said what I have said, although he incorporates it as lean body weight.

And, I am just LOL'ing at your creatine comment, typical nutritionalist crap. They do study nurtition, but they do not do weightlifting stuides etc.

When you can go squat over 600lbs, and bench over 400lbs, with 50g's of protein per day, PM me, I'll be waiting. Until then, I understand you beleive what you think to be right, but there are many, and I mean pretty much everyone in any weightlifitng federation you can find, that disagrees with you.

Don't be lame. I never said you only needed 50g of protein a day. Anyway, my mom teaches, as well as works at an athletic facility where she does executive physicals for many people, including olympic athletes, as well as weight lifters. I'm not 100% positive that she has/has not done a study about the benefits of creatine on lifting, but she has studies that prove what I said earlier. I said be careful if you supplement your diet with creatine, because muscle tears as well as other weightlifting injuries are more prevelant. And there are a group of non-responders. That's backed up with data, you don't have any.

Edit: When you can do the above (bench 400/squat 600) and run 6 consecutive sub 6 miles, or even a 4:25 mile, even with your supplements, let me know. Until then, I understand that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about my health.

Fail to understand much? This thread isn't about running, it's about lifting, and for your information I have run the New York marathon in 4 Hours and 53 minutes.

Second, I don't have any data? LOL i am done discussing with you. Go do a google search for creatine studies moron. Number 1, cramps are myth, as long as the proper amount of water is taken. This muscle tear thing? Yeah never heard of that. Non responders? Sure there is a small small amount, and even that is being reduced by CEE.

You would get torn apart on a bb.com or another forum. You have no idea how much of a n00b you sound like.

 

[allies]

I'll get creatine studies for you if you wish From science/nutrition journals, for your liking! For free! Don't go and burst your jugular buddy... take a chill pill. Or some liquid creatine.

Oh yeah, congrats on your 5 hr marathon time.
Edit: Honestly, I've seen a bunch of people forget cardio entirely when trying to get big.

 

[Ctrackstar126]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Man the wrong information in this thread is making my head hurt.

OP take Special K's advice and go to a forum like Wannabebig or bodybuilding.com and get the people there (who actually know what they are talking about) to help you. In the mean time you can PM Special K, Amused, RedDawn, Spamela, Koing, or myself, who actually know about weightlifting and aren't some wannabe pretender on a computer forum.

Good Luck! And some very, very, basic things to remember:

Get your diet in check first, supplements don't do crap if you are eating bad.
You want to get big? Eat, eat a lot. Chicken, steak, etc, but eat clean, but a lot. If you are having trouble, this is were protein shakes or MRS come in. Also look into Controlled Labs Black Hole, its a great appetitete stimulant if you are really having trouble.
You need to cardio, period.
Stick with compound exercises, bench, squat, deadlift. No need to do isolation exercises for now, because since your new your gains will be great in the beggining. Stay with around 3 sets of 10 for now, as you need to stay light and concentrate on form (elitelifts.com) has great writeups on beggingers looking to improve form.
Take a scoop of whey in the morning, one after you workout(the most important), and one before bed. Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey is pretty much the best protein on the market. You can get 10lbs for 50$ right now at dpsnutrition.com.
IGNORE any other supplements right now, you need to lift, you don't need creatine, you don't need any of that muscle tech no2 crap. Just lift, and eat.
Stay away from weight gainers for now, they aren't needed, and most are just full of sugar (someone mentioned BSN True Mass, that's of Malodextrin), plus a home made weight gainer is much more healthy, works better, and is more efficient.
BUY OATS, they are the most calorie dense food you can buy, steel cut preferbly. Eat them with your protein shake post workout to get a good carb/protein ratio.
Carbs before and after lifting, never go on a low carb diet, you need it for energy. High GI (gatorade) are fine before and after lifitng.
Get a good multi, take one in the morning. Look into NOW adam, it is the best out there, pretty much equal to animal pak.
Read and research, you'll learn more and more and once you get started you can focus on your goals (in this case getting big) more.
That's just the lifting side. Running is another ball game.


Good Luck Bro! Great to see you want to change your lifestyle.
-Scott

I would have to agree this raptor 100%. This is actually very good advice on a tech board where you are going to get a lot of "I heard from this guy" techniques that dont work but the poster thinks otherwise. optimum is a very good whey supplement just stick with that. Believe me if you start researching all the different supplements you will get confused. The reason I personally dont like supplments is if you forget to take them or run out, mentally you arent going to get a good workout cause you think you need those things. In high school I did a program called bigger-faster-stronger. The workouts went like:
week 1: 10-8-6
week2: 5-5-5
week 3: 3-2-1
week 4: 5-4-3-2-1
This was a good workout to me. I liked it that is why it worked. There are hundreds of workouts out there and they all work great as long as you like it. I personally reccomend running but well that would go with my name so obviously ill reccomend it.

Also you talk about your apetite. Like Raptor said get some whey in you but right now your metabolism is not all there. As you work out you will see your hunger rise. I was 185 in highschool and I wasnt huge, big but not huge, but I could out eat any overweight person. i was doing anywhere between 3500-5000 calories a day. At the same token my workouts were very extreme. Dont stop doing cardio, cut down if you want but def do something.
Also dont forget multivitamins. This you dont have to worry about getting the high end stuff. I use the target brand myself as for the whey bodybuilding.com is prolly your best bet.
Good luck and dont forget to write down your goals, what you ate, did, how many hours you slept. Keep a journal of it all so you know where you were, where you are, and where you are going

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: allies
I'll get creatine studies for you if you wish From science/nutrition journals, for your liking! For free! Don't go and burst your jugular buddy... take a chill pill. Or some liquid creatine.

Oh yeah, congrats on your 5 hr marathon time.
Edit: Honestly, I've seen a bunch of people forget cardio entirely when trying to get big.

Everyone knows liquid creatine is a joke.


Thank you, and nice job on your mile time also!

 

[Ctrackstar126]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: allies
F22... yes I workout... and I run a lot. I'm gonna be a sophomore in college, but I still run with my highschool team during the summer months, and workout every other day (rotating muscle groups) with another runner, and also do plyometrics. I'm not just spouting off BS. I think Amused has a pretty fair assessment on protein needs. I asked my mom this morning and she said that all the studies have not shown any need to have over 1.8g/Kg of body weight. Anything over goes unused, and if you have functioning kidneys, it is NOT excreted in urine, but instead the amino acids that form from it are stored as fat.

If you want me to make a spreadsheet with the formula, I will later today.

Edit: Also about creatine, in studies 1/3 of the subjects do not respond to it at all, and the other 2/3s have a tendency to develop injuries. I'd say be careful if you want to incorporate supplemental creatine in your diet.

Amused has bacially said what I have said, although he incorporates it as lean body weight.

And, I am just LOL'ing at your creatine comment, typical nutritionalist crap. They do study nurtition, but they do not do weightlifting stuides etc.

When you can go squat over 600lbs, and bench over 400lbs, with 50g's of protein per day, PM me, I'll be waiting. Until then, I understand you beleive what you think to be right, but there are many, and I mean pretty much everyone in any weightlifitng federation you can find, that disagrees with you.

Don't be lame. I never said you only needed 50g of protein a day. Anyway, my mom teaches, as well as works at an athletic facility where she does executive physicals for many people, including olympic athletes, as well as weight lifters. I'm not 100% positive that she has/has not done a study about the benefits of creatine on lifting, but she has studies that prove what I said earlier. I said be careful if you supplement your diet with creatine, because muscle tears as well as other weightlifting injuries are more prevelant. And there are a group of non-responders. That's backed up with data, you don't have any.

Edit: When you can do the above (bench 400/squat 600) and run 6 consecutive sub 6 miles, or even a 4:25 mile, even with your supplements, let me know. Until then, I understand that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about my health.

Who benches 400 and runs 4:25 mile. I think Raptor has the same thing on his mind that I do

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: allies
F22... yes I workout... and I run a lot. I'm gonna be a sophomore in college, but I still run with my highschool team during the summer months, and workout every other day (rotating muscle groups) with another runner, and also do plyometrics. I'm not just spouting off BS. I think Amused has a pretty fair assessment on protein needs. I asked my mom this morning and she said that all the studies have not shown any need to have over 1.8g/Kg of body weight. Anything over goes unused, and if you have functioning kidneys, it is NOT excreted in urine, but instead the amino acids that form from it are stored as fat.

If you want me to make a spreadsheet with the formula, I will later today.

Edit: Also about creatine, in studies 1/3 of the subjects do not respond to it at all, and the other 2/3s have a tendency to develop injuries. I'd say be careful if you want to incorporate supplemental creatine in your diet.

Amused has bacially said what I have said, although he incorporates it as lean body weight.

And, I am just LOL'ing at your creatine comment, typical nutritionalist crap. They do study nurtition, but they do not do weightlifting stuides etc.

When you can go squat over 600lbs, and bench over 400lbs, with 50g's of protein per day, PM me, I'll be waiting. Until then, I understand you beleive what you think to be right, but there are many, and I mean pretty much everyone in any weightlifitng federation you can find, that disagrees with you.

Don't be lame. I never said you only needed 50g of protein a day. Anyway, my mom teaches, as well as works at an athletic facility where she does executive physicals for many people, including olympic athletes, as well as weight lifters. I'm not 100% positive that she has/has not done a study about the benefits of creatine on lifting, but she has studies that prove what I said earlier. I said be careful if you supplement your diet with creatine, because muscle tears as well as other weightlifting injuries are more prevelant. And there are a group of non-responders. That's backed up with data, you don't have any.

Edit: When you can do the above (bench 400/squat 600) and run 6 consecutive sub 6 miles, or even a 4:25 mile, even with your supplements, let me know. Until then, I understand that you shouldn't be making blanket statements about my health.

Who benches 400 and runs 4:25 mile. I think Raptor has the same thing on his mind that I do

LOL he doesn't mean that, nor do I. I was implying that guys who can bench over 600 RAW take over 450g of protein a day.

 

[TheSlamma]

5'8" 130lbs? You have this wall ahead of you called genetics.

Not trying to discourage you or anything but it's going to take more then some powder to add any weight on you. Only possible route would be eating 5 or 6 meals a day with good calories, not cupcakes and fast food or TV dinners. Lots of fluids like water, LF Milk and juice and I don't mean Capri-sun.

 

[Ctrackstar126]

LOL he doesn't mean that, nor do I. I was implying that guys who can bench over 600 RAW take over 450g of protein a day.

Ahhhh...I thought it was being said that he benched 400 and ran 4:25 miles. That would be a site to behold.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126

LOL he doesn't mean that, nor do I. I was implying that guys who can bench over 600 RAW take over 450g of protein a day.

Ahhhh...I thought it was being said that he benched 400 and ran 4:25 miles. That would be a site to behold.

Heh... if I got to 2/3 of that weight while maintaining my mile time I'd be very very impressed

And to the OP. I'm with the consensus that adding protein to your diet would help, especially if you have a small appetite. At your stage, I don't think you'd necessarily benefit from having 1g/lb, but I guess if you want to be on either side of the fence it would be the high side, as the excess protein will help you gain weight (not muscle).

And for creatine, if you follow a safe regimine, there's a pretty good chace you'll gain weight. Just if you start to react poorly or are a non responder, you should probably get off of it.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
5'8" 130lbs? You have this wall ahead of you called genetics.

Not trying to discourage you or anything but it's going to take more then some powder to add any weight on you. Only possible route would be eating 5 or 6 meals a day with good calories, not cupcakes and fast food or TV dinners. Lots of fluids like water, LF Milk and juice and I don't mean Capri-sun.

Well obviously. Total calories cosumed ultimately determine whether one gains or loses weight. Dividing the total caloric intake into 6 meals per day is a smart move, especially for a beginner. It can take awhile to adapt to the increased food intake.

I don't understand your comment about the powder. No one is claiming that there is anything magic about protein powder. If the OP wants to get all 1g/lb. LBM of his daily protein requirement from protein powder, then so be it. As long as he is getting enough, he will grow, regardless of whether it came from a powder or a chicken breast.

Also I would be really curious to read these peer-reviewed "studies" that demonstrate that creatine is harmful when taken by otherwise healthy people, because AFAIK, there are none.