Putting Christ back into ThanksGiving?

DealMonkey

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Excuse me, but Thanksgiving is not traditionally a religious holiday. My understanding of the original meaning, was to give thanks to the Native Americans (before we decided to slaughter them all, but that's another story) at the close of the harvest season. Since when has it become a religious holiday? I ask, because of President Bush's official proclamation, wherein he attempts to inject god, prayer and faith into nearly every paragraph.

Read it in its entirety below and decide for yourself.

Thanksgiving Day, 2006
A Proclamation by the President of the United States of America


As Americans gather with family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving Day, we give thanks for the many ways that our Nation and our people have been blessed.

The Thanksgiving tradition dates back to the earliest days of our society, celebrated in decisive moments in our history and in quiet times around family tables. Nearly four centuries have passed since early settlers gave thanks for their safe arrival and pilgrims enjoyed a harvest feast to thank God for allowing them to survive a harsh winter in the New World. General George Washington observed Thanksgiving during the Revolutionary War, and in his first proclamation after becoming President, he declared November 26, 1789, a national day of "thanksgiving and prayer." During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln revived the tradition of proclaiming a day of thanksgiving, reminding a divided Nation of its founding ideals.

At this time of great promise for America, we are grateful for the freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution and defended by our Armed Forces throughout the generations. Today, many of these courageous men and women are securing our peace in places far from home, and we pay tribute to them and to their families for their service, sacrifice, and strength. We also honor the families of the fallen and lift them up in our prayers.

Our citizens are privileged to live in the world's freest country, where the hope of the American dream is within the reach of every person. Americans share a desire to answer the universal call to serve something greater than ourselves, and we see this spirit every day in the millions of volunteers throughout our country who bring hope and healing to those in need. On this Thanksgiving Day, and throughout the year, let us show our gratitude for the blessings of freedom, family, and faith, and may God continue to bless America.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim Thursday, November 23, 2006, as a National Day of Thanksgiving. I encourage all Americans to gather together in their homes and places of worship with family, friends, and loved ones to reinforce the ties that bind us and give thanks for the freedoms and many blessings we enjoy.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this sixteenth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand six, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-first.

GEORGE W. BUSH

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ayabe

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Well the Pilgrims were religious extremists, that's the whole reason they came to this country. So I see a tie-in there.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
Obviously he's not much of a leader either.
 

eilute

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I thought the original meaning of Thanksgiving was for the Pilgrims to give thanks to God for not starving them to death. Although it is celebrated today by people of many faiths, I believe its origins had religious roots.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't wear it on his sleeve.

But if he were a Muslim and wore it on his head, then that would probably be alright with you, right?
 

Jeff7

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I've read a few places that Thanksgiving originally started as a celebration of a massacre of Native Americans - thus the colonists were thankful for having security against the "savage natives". So hey, party!
Can't tell that to the kids though, just like we can't tell them that Jefferson had slaves, or had children with his slaves.
 

MiniDoom

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I?m American Indian and I enjoy thanksgiving, not for the historical purposes but for the off days at work and all the food.:p oh and football.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't wear it on his sleeve.

But if he were a Muslim and wore it on his head, then that would probably be alright with you, right?

It wouldn't bother me much at all to be honest. And Having Christian Presidents don't bother me.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Shortly after his Gettysburg address, Lincoln declared the last Thursday in November as a day of prayer and National thanksgiving. Congress made it a holiday and later it was moved to the third Thursday. As with the Fourth of July, I doubt Southerners celibrated this new holiday for many decades.
There have been harvest festivals for thousands of years all over this world.

The pilgrims would have died had they not raided the food stores of Native Americans. This is a fact. It was the Natives that later tought the pilgrims about planting corn, yams and such. The great pilgrims had been reduced to cannibalism for a time :D


...Galvanized
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't wear it on his sleeve.

But if he were a Muslim and wore it on his head, then that would probably be alright with you, right?
Are you asking me? Or telling me?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't wear it on his sleeve.

But if he were a Muslim and wore it on his head, then that would probably be alright with you, right?
No they are more fscked up than the Christians. 3 religions the world would be better off without, Christian, Muslim and Jewish. Of course they are here to stay so I guess we are stuck with dealing with their Bullsh!t.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't wear it on his sleeve.

But if he were a Muslim and wore it on his head, then that would probably be alright with you, right?
No they are more fscked up than the Christians. 3 religions the world would be better off without, Christian, Muslim and Jewish. Of course they are here to stay so I guess we are stuck with dealing with their Bullsh!t.
Im sorry I thought I was having a conversation with DealMoneky. Why dont you go stalk someone else on the internet.

The difference between Christians/Jews and Muslims, is that there is no open ended mandate to kill in the name of God in the Bible like there is throughout the Koran.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Corbett
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!! OMG! THE PRESIDENT CANT BE A CHRISTIAN!
I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't wear it on his sleeve.

But if he were a Muslim and wore it on his head, then that would probably be alright with you, right?
Are you asking me? Or telling me?

I guess both, since we both already know what your answer is going to be.
 

CaptnKirk

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Lets start a drive to put the Turkey back in Christmas.

At Midnight on December 25th, Tom Gobbler, with his handy assistant the 'Great Pumpkin' flys down your chimney,
sets out toys for the kiddies, a new SUV for the Wifey, a BMW for the Daddy, then dresses and bastes itself
before popping itself into the oven to bake for the Christmas Day Meal !

Vote for Dave: This can be better than the 'Chicken in Every Pot' !
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Of course it's a religious holiday, it's right in the name Christhanksgiving. Well it worked for Christmas anyway.

Edit: Seriously though, every president does this.

A quick search turned up this proclamation by Clinton in 1998. I'm sure every president before them has done the same, and they've probably all included mentions of prayer, worship, and faith.
Exactly. Yanking on the God chain has been the standard practice of every President since Washington. I really couldn't care about it one way or another. What confuses me are people who look at the same-old-sh!t-that's-been-going-on-forever and think it's something new and horrible and knee-jerk the typical OMG-we-gotta-do-something-now!!
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Lets start a drive to put the Turkey back in Christmas.

At Midnight on December 25th, Tom Gobbler, with his handy assistant the 'Great Pumpkin' flys down your chimney,
sets out toys for the kiddies, a new SUV for the Wifey, a BMW for the Daddy, then dresses and bastes itself
before popping itself into the oven to bake for the Christmas Day Meal !

Vote for Dave: This can be better than the 'Ckicken in Every Pot' !

But won't that intefere with your drive to put a turkey back in the whitehouse?:shocked:
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Lets start a drive to put the Turkey back in Christmas.

At Midnight on December 25th, Tom Gobbler, with his handy assistant the 'Great Pumpkin' flys down your chimney,
sets out toys for the kiddies, a new SUV for the Wifey, a BMW for the Daddy, then dresses and bastes itself
before popping itself into the oven to bake for the Christmas Day Meal !

Vote for Dave: This can be better than the 'Chicken in Every Pot' !

But won't that intefere with your drive to put a turkey back in the whitehouse?:shocked:


Nope ! - Different drive and a MUCH BIGGER TURKEY :shocked:

 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Of course it's a religious holiday, it's right in the name Christhanksgiving. Well it worked for Christmas anyway.

Edit: Seriously though, every president does this.

A quick search turned up this proclamation by Clinton in 1998. I'm sure every president before them has done the same, and they've probably all included mentions of prayer, worship, and faith.
Exactly. Yanking on the God chain has been the standard practice of every President since Washington. I really couldn't care about it one way or another. What confuses me are people who look at the same-old-sh!t-that's-been-going-on-forever and think it's something new and horrible and knee-jerk the typical OMG-we-gotta-do-something-now!!

My guess is age. Every generation thinks they invented sex, drugs and rock and roll when in reality, there's nothing new under the sun.
 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
I've read a few places that Thanksgiving originally started as a celebration of a massacre of Native Americans - thus the colonists were thankful for having security against the "savage natives". So hey, party!
Can't tell that to the kids though, just like we can't tell them that Jefferson had slaves, or had children with his slaves.

I'd love to see a reference or link to support that.

The original Thanksgiving was a end of the harvest season feast jointly celebrated by settlers and their Indian neighbors.
 

fitzov

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And? I'll be making some JHChrist-spear-in-the-side stuffing and some JHChrist-on-a-hot-cross-buns for Thanksgiving.

Mmmmm...that's good sacrilege!