Putin blasts "liberals"

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Amused

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LOL, you really don't know shit about Russia, do you?

No, you don't. He is absolutely correct.

The primary liberal party in russia. It is for the most part, libertarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabloko

The party stands for the greater freedom and civil liberties in Russia, for greater integration with the West, better relations with the United States and membership in the European Union. The party opposed president Yeltsin's and his prime ministers' policies, earning the reputation of a determined opposition movement that nevertheless was devoted to democratic reforms (in contrast, most of the opposition was communist and/or nationalist at that time)[1]. Similarly, it has continued to oppose Vladimir Putin for what they see as his increasing authoritarianism and has called for the removal of his elected government "by constitutional means."

Liberalism in Russia. Most of the liberal parties are libertarian, with one defunct group that was pro-communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_Russia

After the fall of communism, several new liberal parties were formed, but only one of them Yabloko (Yabloko - Rosiyskaya Demokraticheskaya Partiya, a member of Liberal International) succeeded in becoming a relevant force. This is a left-of-center liberal party. The Union of Right Forces (Soyuz Pravykh Sil, a member of International Democrat Union) is a right-of-center liberal party. It can also be seen as a democratic conservative market party. In this scheme the party is not included as liberal, being considered a democratic conservative party, but it can also be called liberal because of its pro-free-market and anti-authoritarianism stances. The so-called Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is not at all "liberal" - it is a nationalist, right-wing, populist party.

Though Wiki has it wrong on the last one listed, the "Liberal Democratic Party" (NOT what Putin was speaking of). A "populist" party by definition cannot be "right-wing." It is left wing. Far left. About where the American left is today: Authoritarian socialist.

This platform is most certainly leftist:

In specific, the LDPR's main proposals include: [2][6]:

Reform and consolidation of Russia's judicial system;
Capital punishment for those convicted of terrorism, premeditated murder, and other serious crimes;
The abolition of "non-traditional" and "fanatic" religious sects in Russia;
State ownership of strategic sectors of the economy, particularly natural resources, alcohol, tobacco, and agriculture;
Lower taxes for domestic producers;
Unification between Russia and Belarus;
The right to work;
Radical reform of the social insurance system;
State support for science-intensive technologies and agriculture;
The abolition of government corruption;
Russian economic sovereignty/protectionism
Control of all agricultural land by the state.

But this is neither here nor there, as the LDP has only 4% support in Russia. It is, by far, the weakest of the self described "liberal" parties.
 
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Putin murders journalists who write bad things about him and the government. Conservatives here wish they could do stuff like that.

Seeing how so many of you self-proclaimed "progressives" and/or "liberals" froth at the mouth when Fox News is brought up I'd guess they're in the same boat. Don't worry it happens to all "groups", they want complete and utter destruction of their competitor more than anything else. Keep pushing the Red vs Blue, Crips vs Bloods shit though, it really seems to be getting shit done in this nation.
 

theeedude

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No, you don't. He is absolutely correct.

The primary liberal party in russia. It is for the most part, libertarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabloko



Liberalism in Russia. Most of the liberal parties are libertarian, with one defunct group that was pro-communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_Russia



Though Wiki has it wrong on the last one listed, the "Liberal Democratic Party" (NOT what Putin was speaking of). A "populist" party by definition cannot be "right-wing." It is left wing. Far left. About where the American left is today: Authoritarian socialist.

This platform is most certainly leftist:



But this is neither here nor there, as the LDP has only 4% support in Russia. It is, by far, the weakest of the self described "liberal" parties.

It's a liberal party advocating for European style democracy. Read their social platform. They advocate actively working to bridge gap between rich and poor, higher pensions, more subsidized housing, infrastructure, etc, etc. They are not Russian teabaggers.
 

Steeplerot

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The far right nationalist/reactionary party is the old Communist party in Russia oddly enough.
 

Amused

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It's a liberal party advocating for European style democracy. Read their social platform. They advocate actively working to bridge gap between rich and poor, higher pensions, more subsidized housing, infrastructure, etc, etc. They are not Russian teabaggers.

The party stands for the greater freedom and civil liberties in Russia, for greater integration with the West, better relations with the United States and membership in the European Union. The party opposed president Yeltsin's and his prime ministers' policies, earning the reputation of a determined opposition movement that nevertheless was devoted to democratic reforms (in contrast, most of the opposition was communist and/or nationalist at that time)[1]. Similarly, it has continued to oppose Vladimir Putin for what they see as his increasing authoritarianism and has called for the removal of his elected government "by constitutional means."

They seek greater individual rights and liberties. This includes the equal ABILITY to create wealth, not the forced redistribution of it.
 

CPA

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Putin is a product of the USSR and the Bolshevik party. The farthest right totalitarian jerks who were able to strong arm their way into power in 1917.

The Russian power structure have had disdain for the left for the past 2 centuries.

roll your ass on Pootie-poot
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But, but, but he was elected to office by the people of Russia. So what's your problem again?
 

CPA

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No, no, no.....

In Russia, just as in the US and everywhere else a liberal is one who is for the freedom of individuals, that means for government regulation to provide that freedom, in the society via laws to restrict discrimination and in the market place to provide an open and regulated market.

Putins idea is a self regulating market that consists of corruption in ever step of the way, because that is how self regulating markets behave.

the bold is why the left and right will never see eye to eye.
 

theeedude

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They seek greater individual rights and liberties. This includes the equal ABILITY to create wealth, not the forced redistribution of it.

Your quote does not back up your conclusion. You are overreaching based on wishful thinking.

Read for yourself:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://yabloko.ru/Union/Program/ch4.html
4. ACTIVE SOCIAL POLICY

The most important condition for achieving stability and balance of economic transformation, the irreversibility of democratic processes, save Russia as a state is a fundamental reduction of social, economic and regional inequalities in Russia has reached critical proportions. Creating a society of equal opportunity is impossible without the total elimination of worst forms of poverty, the radical reduction of poverty, to overcome a high degree of marginalization of society, creating conditions for social inclusion of citizens.

The most striking evidence of increasing social degradation in our country is catastrophic demographic situation. The infamous "Russian cross" - the excess of deaths over births - shows that without an active social policy, Russia has no future.
An active social policy should give impetus to the growth of effective demand, encourage the expansion of the domestic market, improve the structure of consumption. You must change the state's attitude to the social sphere. It is not only costly, useless and cumbersome - with tools such as incomes policy or the creation of safe working conditions are at the crossroads of social and economic policies. The main provision of the proposed "APPLE" social strategy is that by using the tools of social policy can solve economic problems, and vice versa.
Yabloko was in favor of formation in our country the social market economy, European style, which involves filling the real meaning enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian welfare state and providing such State equal opportunity for all its citizens. We find it unacceptable proposed by the Government, stated in the "Development Strategy of Russia until 2010" transition to the so-called "subsidiarity" state "that will" provide social assistance only to the most vulnerable populations. "And the rest of the citizens, according to Strategy," will have themselves to pay all costs for housing and communal services, obtaining education, as well as a significant portion of the cost of medical care, schooling, pension insurance.

Yabloko believes that the reduction of social policy to government handouts to the poor is extremely dangerous for Russia with its special problems and historical traditions, and completely contrary to international trends, proving that the success stories of the country in which economic progress has kept pace with the social. Therefore, any speculation about the transition to the "subsidiarity state," existing in the West only in the concepts of marginal theorists should stop immediately.

The principle of the welfare state enshrined in Article 7 of the Constitution of Russia, it is necessary not only to give real content, but also to deepen and develop it. Need to be recorded in the European Social Charter on social rights and guarantees enjoyed by the inhabitants of Western Europe, extended to the Russian citizens.

The state of this type is based on the following principles:

responsibility, which means strict compliance with the state's social obligations - the authorities should consistently be responsible for its commitments and not abandon them or revise the following short-term political and economic conjuncture;
orientation of social reforms to improve the situation of the majority of the population;
validity, implying that the payoff of some social groups or individuals should not be achieved due to losses of others;
universality, suggesting that social policy is not limited to social assistance and is intended not only to low-income, disabled and elderly, but the majority of citizens through a comprehensive incomes policy, employment policy and the development of effective systems of compulsory retirement, medical and social insurance;
national unity, indicating that the social benefits and services should be available equally to all citizens, regardless of region and place of residence, and social spending - not dumped mechanically to regional and local budgets;
accessibility, which means that basic social services should be free, the majority of services - available, and only certain types of additional services - available through the payment of citizens;
solidarity as the most important and oldest principle of any human community, which means mutual support and mutual responsibility, that is society's responsibility to its vulnerable citizens.
 

PieIsAwesome

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Putin is right. The west has always sought the destruction of Russia, and the west continues to pursue this goal. The west and their cohort Gorbachev already dealt the killing blow to the Soviet Union, and now these Russian liberals conspiring with the west seek to further harm the motherland and ultimately destroy her. Fight on Putin, hero of the motherland.