put Pc3500 in comp, but comp says it is pc2700?

[RaNDoMMAI]

HI

I have just purchased 1gig of Kingston HyperX PC 3500,
I put it in my lil bros computer which is an athlon 2400 with an MSI K7N2G mobo

i booted up the comp and it says the RAM runs at DDR333. whats up with that? shouldnt it at least run at DDR400?

Did i get two bad sticks?

maybe i need to reconfigure the mobo and tell it, it has new ram, but here is the thing, before the kingston PC3500, i was running two genetic 512 of PC2100.

i dont see how it got DDR333.

TIA
~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

If you want the system to run at its best, you should set the memory to operate at 100% sync to the CPU's frontside bus speed, which would put it at PC2100 speeds on an AthlonXP 2400+. That's right, you should be running the PC3500 at PC2100 speed if you want the system to perform at its best. Even running the RAM at DDR333 while the CPU's at DDR266 is costing you performance, as you can confirm with some 3DMark2001SE testing.

The usual remedy is to raise the CPU's FSB as high as the system will tolerate, while lowering the CPU's multiplier to keep the total MHz down to what the CPU can stand. So maybe you could try running the CPU and the RAM at PC3200 speeds but with a reduced multiplier, which fattens up the memory pipe without losing the synchronous link between the CPU and RAM.

 

[Markfw]

Yes, since I recommended this to you, I should explain more. The PC3500 will run fine where slower memory is required or used (PC2100,PC2700), BUT, when you get your new computer you are working on in your other thread, you will be able to raise the FSB quite high and overclock, or in the case of the Athlon64 you are thinking about, you will have a very fast (CAS2 and ?HTT) and stable platform.

 

[RaNDoMMAI]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
If you want the system to run at its best, you should set the memory to operate at 100% sync to the CPU's frontside bus speed, which would put it at PC2100 speeds on an AthlonXP 2400+. That's right, you should be running the PC3500 at PC2100 speed if you want the system to perform at its best. Even running the RAM at DDR333 while the CPU's at DDR266 is costing you performance, as you can confirm with some 3DMark2001SE testing.

The usual remedy is to raise the CPU's FSB as high as the system will tolerate, while lowering the CPU's multiplier to keep the total MHz down to what the CPU can stand. So maybe you could try running the CPU and the RAM at PC3200 speeds but with a reduced multiplier, which fattens up the memory pipe without losing the synchronous link between the CPU and RAM.

HI mechBgon

how do i tell my comp to run my ram at PC2100 speeds?
or
how do i tell my cpu and ram to run at 3200 speeds?

btw
every sicne i installed the new ram, my comp has been making a funny noise, it sounds like its crying in time intervals.
like
errrrrrrrrrr.........errrrrrrrrrrrrr........errrrrrrrrrrrr

i dont know if it is the ram or maybe i move a wire and it is touching something it shouldnt be, but it is a loud noise and it is freaking me out.

i dont even know how to get into the CMOS
i out the ram in an athlon 2400 with a MSI K7N2G mobo

thx
~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

Let's see... does mechBgon have this board's owner's manual in PDF format...?

*mechBgon does

All righty, jump to page 3-2 of your manual and they say to press the Delete key on the keyboard when the system has just been powered on, in order to enter the BIOS menu system. Now in there, you have to make sure never to enable the Self-Destruct setting if you should stumble across it, ok?

Head straight for the Advanced Chipset Features menu in there, and you'll see the stuff shown on page 3-12. Now do this stuff:

• Set System Performance to Manual
• Now you are able to access the CPU FSB Clock, which you should start out at 133, the stock clockspeed for your 2400+
• Change FSB/DRAM Ratio to 1 : 1. This ensures that your CPU and memory are locked into synchronous operation, which lets them operate at low latencies, which is good.
• Next, set the Memory Timing to Manual too, so you can tweak those timings down tight
• With that change, now you can set these following settings:
  • T-(RAS) to 11 (I hear this is one of nForce2's secret fetishes, is it likes this set high)
  • T-(RCD) to 2
  • T-(RP) to 2
  • CAS to 2
• Now make sure that AGP 8X and Fast Writes are enabled in there, and that System BIOS Cacheable and Video RAM Cacheable are not enabled. Set the AGP Aperture Size to at least 128MB or higher.
• When you've got all that done, exit the Advanced Chipset Features area, so you're back at the main BIOS menu.
• Have a beverage of choice
• Now enter the Frequency/Voltage Control sub-menu there...
• ...and crank the DRAM Voltage Adjust to 2.7 volts.
• Also set the AGP Clock Control to Manual and set the AGP Clock Value to 66 by typing in "66"

Now your system is running at its best, for a stock-clocked system.

 

[RaNDoMMAI]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Let's see... does mechBgon have this board's owner's manual in PDF format...?

*mechBgon does

man ur a genius, i totally never thought of downloading my lost manual. WOW, and all this time i have been looking around my house. i'm so dumb.

i will have to try these settings after work today, waking up at 5am sucks!!

also, do u have any idea on why my computer is making weird noises?

Its a really loud noise. likes it crying. but its not constant.

like

errrrrrrrr...........errrrrrrrrrrrr...............errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i dunno what it is. It happened as soons as i put the new ram in

thx for the help
~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

I wonder if the noise could be a fan that's getting worn out. My video-card fan is just about shot, and it does what you're describing (yay, an excuse to upgrade! ) Maybe you can locate the noise by opening up the case and snooping around, or use a piece of rubber tubing as a stethescope to listen to each fan.

I was too tired to go on and describe how you would change your CPU to run at a non-stock speed, but what you do is leave the FSB/DRAM Ratio set at 1:1 and see if you can manually set the CPU Ratio in the Frequency/Voltage Control section. If you can, then lower it from its stock value of 15 down to 10.

Start by saving those settings and rebooting, and see if the system now comes up actually using the new multiplier of 10. If it does, it will be running underclocked, at 133 x 10.0 = 1333MHz. If that's working, you can dive back into the BIOS and set the CPU FSB Clock to 200, which will bring your CPU up to 200 x 10 = 2000MHz. This is the same speed it runs at stock, but now your memory pipeline is nearly twice as fast and it's still running synchronously! You should see performance gains of 10%-15% just from that.

 

[RaNDoMMAI]

Hi

I got back from work and my lil bro is playing on the comp just fine with no noise.

Do u think it will come back?

I dont think it is a fan since i only have one fan and that is the huge fan that came with my zalman heatsink 6000, which is really quiet.

I will have to try all these settings u gave me soon, but my lil bro is way into his game, he is playing Horizons btw.

on ur last post mechBgon
You mention something that will make the memory better? will this overheat my CPU? i know i need to get some case fans. Do u have any recommentions on case fans? my lil bro has a green dragon cheiftec case.

also, is it possible to overclock or make my compaq computer better. It is a compaq presario model 7000
its an it is an AMD athlon and it runs at 1.19 ghz with a max of 512 ram 2100 which i have. i have a radeon 9200 in it.

thx for all the help
~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

The fan noise will probably occur again if you let the system turn off and cool down, then start it again (if that's what's causing it). Overclocking the system in the way I described shouldn't affect the CPU temperature, since the CPU will still be running at the same speed that it's designed for (but with a faster memory pipeline). Your motherboard's northbridge may run hotter, though.

For a nice fan, try some of the Enermax 80mm adjustable-speed fans from here They have a good range of speeds ranging from ultra-quiet to medium-whoosh, just turn the adjuster.

To speed up your Compaq... what operating system does it run? If it's got the stock operating system, go into the Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs and remove all the stupid baby-sitting software that Compaq loads their systems down with, because chances are that your Compaq is running a whole bunch of it in the background, taking up your memory and CPU cycles. Better yet would be to buy a Windows XP Professional OEM CD and license, and install WinXP Pro on it so you're guaranteed to be free of Compaq's junk. Best of all is to build yourself a new cherry-picked system

In the meantime, you could try defragmenting the hard drive (this could prove difficult on a Win98/WinME system... start it in Safe Mode to keep the background programs from interrupting the Defrag).

 

[RaNDoMMAI]

o dude

i tryed all the stuff u posted, even setting the CPU Ratio in the Frequency/Voltage Control section to 10

When i saved an exit, all i got is a black screen, there is a yellow light where it was green before.

how do i fix this?

~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

Hmm, guess you've got one of those new multiplier-locked ones then

Have a look at page 2-31 of the manual if you have one downloaded now. Unplug the system, then move the Clear CMOS jumper to cover pins 2 & 3 for about ten seconds, then move it back to pins 1 & 2, plug the system in and fire it back up. That should get it going, possibly in a sort of "safe mode" where it uses conservative settings. If that doesn't do the trick, follow NesuD's instructions here.

 

[RaNDoMMAI]

ok

i got it back to normal status.

So what can i do now to make it run better?

also it is using an on-board vid card(i know , get a real vid card)

before when i check properties of my computer it said 896 of RAM, now it says 992. how do i put it back to 896 so it runs better for games.

btw, i notice in the manual it has something called jumpers on 2-32. do i need to move these maybe?

also, my compaq alrdy has win XP pro

thx for the quick help
~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

Of the two jumpers shown on page 2-32, one is a "get-me-outta-trouble" safe-mode jumper and the other is for long-term setting of the CPU type. You'll want to leave J10 capped on pins 1 & 2, and cap the pins on JP11. If you had a CPU that's built for a 100MHz base speed, like a Duron or an old Athlon Thunderbird, then you would pull the cap off of JP11.

Since adjusting the CPU's multiplier doesn't seem to be an option, your alternative is to simply boost the CPU FSB Clock in small steps. Your CPU runs at 2000MHz by default, which is a result of its multiplier and CPU FSB Clock being 15 x 133. Increasing the CPU FSB Clock by 1MHz will result in the total MHz going up by 15MHz because of that 15x multiplier. You may not have a lot of headroom to OC the CPU in this way, because what will happen is that your CPU will hit the wall before your PC3500 is anywhere close to its full potential.

Bigger picture: for gaming performance, especially at high resolutions with antialiasing and ansiotropic filtering, it's the video card you want to focus on first. That also frees up your RAM for your CPU to use, instead of the onboard video and the CPU having to share. I hear the Radeon 9100 isn't bad for a budget card in the sub-$80 range, and should take you up a notch from the onboard video on your MSI.

For the meantime, about that video... go into the BIOS to the Advanced Chipset Configuration and make the AGP Aperture to be 128MB again if it changed, and the Frame Buffer to be 32MB. Those are the only places where I see the ability to affect the onboard video's slice of the RAM.

On the Compaq, good to hear it's got WinXP Pro. You can Defragment it and uninstall all the Compaq software that you don't actually need, and I bet that will perk it up a little. Setting the user interface for maximum performance (no animations and fancy effects) may make it look a lot faster. For gaming, it really boils down to the video card a lot of the time, although simulation games and RTS games may be another story than first-person-shooter stuff. Bottom line, if you upgrade the video on the Compaq and it's just too underpowered on the CPU, I'd say it's time to build yourself a new system and carry over the video card you bought.

thx for the quick help

What do I have the Cheetah avatar for, after all? I used to be faster when I was on cable instead of dial-up, but I do the best I can

 

[RaNDoMMAI]

Thx again

i was wondering from ur first post
"
Head straight for the Advanced Chipset Features menu in there, and you'll see the stuff shown on page 3-12. Now do this stuff:


Set System Performance to Manual

Now you are able to access the CPU FSB Clock, which you should start out at 133, the stock clockspeed for your 2400+

Change FSB/DRAM Ratio to 1 : 1. This ensures that your CPU and memory are locked into synchronous operation, which lets them operate at low latencies, which is good.

Next, set the Memory Timing to Manual too, so you can tweak those timings down tight

With that change, now you can set these following settings:

T-(RAS) to 11 (I hear this is one of nForce2's secret fetishes, is it likes this set high)

T-(RCD) to 2

T-(RP) to 2

CAS to 2


Now make sure that AGP 8X and Fast Writes are enabled in there, and that System BIOS Cacheable and Video RAM Cacheable are not enabled. Set the AGP Aperture Size to at least 128MB or higher.

When you've got all that done, exit the Advanced Chipset Features area, so you're back at the main BIOS menu.
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Have a beverage of choice
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Now enter the Frequency/Voltage Control sub-menu there...

...and crank the DRAM Voltage Adjust to 2.7 volts.

Also set the AGP Clock Control to Manual and set the AGP Clock Value to 66 by typing in "66"

Now your system is running at its best, for a stock-clocked system. "

what of it can i do?
will any of it help my lil bros system?

TIA
~RaNDoM

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: RaNDoMMAI
Thx again

i was wondering from ur first post
"
Head straight for the Advanced Chipset Features menu in there, and you'll see the stuff shown on page 3-12. Now do this stuff:


Set System Performance to Manual

Now you are able to access the CPU FSB Clock, which you should start out at 133, the stock clockspeed for your 2400+

Change FSB/DRAM Ratio to 1 : 1. This ensures that your CPU and memory are locked into synchronous operation, which lets them operate at low latencies, which is good.

Next, set the Memory Timing to Manual too, so you can tweak those timings down tight

With that change, now you can set these following settings:

T-(RAS) to 11 (I hear this is one of nForce2's secret fetishes, is it likes this set high)

T-(RCD) to 2

T-(RP) to 2

CAS to 2


Now make sure that AGP 8X and Fast Writes are enabled in there, and that System BIOS Cacheable and Video RAM Cacheable are not enabled. Set the AGP Aperture Size to at least 128MB or higher.

When you've got all that done, exit the Advanced Chipset Features area, so you're back at the main BIOS menu.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Have a beverage of choice
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Now enter the Frequency/Voltage Control sub-menu there...

...and crank the DRAM Voltage Adjust to 2.7 volts.

Also set the AGP Clock Control to Manual and set the AGP Clock Value to 66 by typing in "66"

Now your system is running at its best, for a stock-clocked system. "

what of it can i do?
will any of it help my lil bros system?

TIA
~RaNDoM

All of the advice in the first post is ok. It just gets your system set up at stock clockspeed with optimal memory timings. The 2.7 volts may be more than necessary, you can try 2.6 volts first. I assumed we might need the 2.7 volts in case you got into some rambunctious overclocking.