Pure Video is better than Avivo. (de-interlacing)

[Cookie Monster]

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Pure Video scores 46, Avivo 33.

I guess ATi hyped about these quite alot, but i was surpised by pure videos performance as well. I guess lots of people are misinformed about nvidia's pure video.

What you guys think?

 

[xtknight]

Disappointing. :thumbsdown:

 

[rbV5]

Purevideo "de-interlacing" does look to be > than AVIVO based on Anand's review. There is much missing, and deinterlacing is only a part of video decoding.

H264 decoding accelration is enabled...but no review? How about other formats? Purevideo Mpeg decoding has been the bright light in what an only be consider an incomplete soplution from Nvidia.

 

[xtknight]

Looks like we may be waiting a long time for H.264 support. Think about it, there's no reason a simple benchmark couldn't have been done. This is probably the same crap as NVIDIA pulled when they first announced WMV HD acceleration. Maybe it is "available" today, but not in any usable form. We'll have to wait for ATI to release their own decoder unless other companies implement it first...

I'm looking forward to it when it comes out, whenever that may be. And blah...still no YPbPr in on the card (as far as I've read). It should still be very possible to do with some form of lossless (or even lossy) compression IMO.

 

[rbV5]

Looks like we may be waiting a long time for H.264 support

Why? its supposed to be ready now...it was simply not reviewed...in fact ONLY MPEG deinterlacing was tested using NVDVD decoders, and thats because outside of NV DVD decoders, there is no Purevideo MPEG support.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Yes, so nVidia > ATI at deinterlacing. This dosen't mean PureVideo > AVIVO as a whole.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Yes, so nVidia > ATI at deinterlacing. This dosen't mean PureVideo > AVIVO as a whole.

Its a step toward that direction.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Disappointing. :thumbsdown:

The article is even more disappointing. Why? Because the other features such as H.264 encoding/decoding arent even tested yet.

Also the scores in the morning were 46 vs 23 and now changed. The other AT article on the X1K series is also a mess (compared to reviews from other websites).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
The article is even more disappointing. Why? Because the other features such as H.264 encoding/decoding arent even tested yet.

They are on any other site out there? I'm not being sarcastic, I haven't checked every site yet and I'd love to know if there are any. It's probably not AT's fault. Google hasn't indexed all the reviews yet so it's hard to check. ATI is going to have to release a decoder themselves to activate this (or license the technology to another codec developer). I tend to think ATI would have one released first. Perhaps I'm making a quick judgment but why wouldn't the review sites have benchmarked it if it was available? It's so easy to do.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: crazydingo
The article is even more disappointing. Why? Because the other features such as H.264 encoding/decoding arent even tested yet.

They are on any other site out there? I'm not being sarcastic, I haven't checked every site yet and I'd love to know if there are any. It's probably not AT's fault. Google hasn't indexed all the reviews yet so it's hard to check.

AT's article didnt test the H.264 encoding/decoding part, which is one of the major features of AVIVO. And they handed out a verdict without even fully testing all the features.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
AT's article didnt test the H.264 encoding/decoding part, which is one of the major features of AVIVO. And they handed out a verdict without even fully testing all the features.

This article tested strictly deinterlacing, which is exactly what the article title implies. I see no problem with their verdict on this one. I think a lot of the pictures lean greatly in NVIDIA's favor. No, this is not a verdict on AVIVO. That I am still waiting for...

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: crazydingo
AT's article didnt test the H.264 encoding/decoding part, which is one of the major features of AVIVO. And they handed out a verdict without even fully testing all the features.

This article tested strictly deinterlacing, which is exactly what the article title implies. I see no problem with their verdict on this one. I think a lot of the pictures lean greatly in NVIDIA's favor. No, this is not a verdict on AVIVO. That I am still waiting for...

Then why doesnt the title of this thread imply that ? hehe

 

[rbV5]

ATI is going to have to release a decoder themselves to activate this (or license the technology to another codec developer). I tend to think ATI would have one released first. Perhaps I'm making a quick judgment but why wouldn't the review sites have benchmarked it if it was available? It's so easy to do.

Are you guessing that H264 decoding is not enabled yet, or do you have real information? Its easy to do, sure, but obviously with only Anand's partial review.....where is anybody else, obviously its not getting real coverage yet.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: crazydingo
AT's article didnt test the H.264 encoding/decoding part, which is one of the major features of AVIVO. And they handed out a verdict without even fully testing all the features.

This article tested strictly deinterlacing, which is exactly what the article title implies. I see no problem with their verdict on this one. I think a lot of the pictures lean greatly in NVIDIA's favor. No, this is not a verdict on AVIVO. That I am still waiting for...

Then why doesnt the title of this thread imply that ? hehe

fixed

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: rbV5

ATI is going to have to release a decoder themselves to activate this (or license the technology to another codec developer). I tend to think ATI would have one released first. Perhaps I'm making a quick judgment but why wouldn't the review sites have benchmarked it if it was available? It's so easy to do.

Are you guessing that H264 decoding is not enabled yet, or do you have real information? Its easy to do, sure, but obviously with only Anand's partial review.....where is anybody else, obviously its not getting real coverage yet.

I'll answer my own Q here, from Anand's review...first line LOL.

Despite what ATI told us at our Avivo briefing last month (although ATI insists that it was a miscommunication), H.264 decode acceleration is not launching alongside the R5xx GPUs. ATI is committed to bringing both H.264 decode acceleration and transcode assist by the end of the year, but for now, we have no way of testing those features.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rbV5
I'll answer my own Q here, from Anand's review...first line LOL.

Despite what ATI told us at our Avivo briefing last month (although ATI insists that it was a miscommunication), H.264 decode acceleration is not launching alongside the R5xx GPUs. ATI is committed to bringing both H.264 decode acceleration and transcode assist by the end of the year, but for now, we have no way of testing those features.

I was guessing not only because of what happened to PureVideo but because I SWORE I read something that it would be end of the year (but found the following instead), but something else I just read in Anand's review directly contradicts that.

If you look on page 2 of the big R520 article it says:

While we won't see transcoding support until the end of the year, we have H.264 decode support today.

Which to believe? H.264 not until the end of the year, what kind of crap is that? :| ATI was showing it at some convention not too long ago. Also with PureVideo reviews of performance came LONG before ANY consumer support was available. So even if there's a review of it, I'm going to remain skeptical. It takes them ages to get stuff out of beta sometimes. But at that time the limiting factor was Microsoft, so who knows? I'm slightly mad at these empty promises. I wonder if NVIDIA has any form of H.264 acceleration working at this point. Which drivers were supposed to enable it? I think it still has to be invoked with extra code in the decoder, but as always, I could be wrong.

 

[rbV5]

While we won't see transcoding support until the end of the year, we have H.264 decode support today.

LOL, it kinda has to be one or the other doesn't it?

I'd test it myself if it was in my hands...looks like wait and see when somebody puts it through the paces.