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Punitive Damages Awarded in Katrina Case

Punitive Damages Awarded in Katrina Case
By GARRY MITCHELL, Associated Press Writer

GULFPORT, Miss. - A jury awarded $2.5 million in punitive damages against State Farm Fire and Casualty Co. for a Mississippi couple for denying their Hurricane Katrina claim. The decision could benefit hundreds of other homeowners challenging insurers for refusing to cover billions of dollars in storm damage.

State Farm said it will likely appeal.

Earlier Thursday, U.S. District Judge L.T. Senter Jr. had taken part of the case out of jurors' hands before they awarded punitive damages to State Farm policyholders Norman and Genevieve Broussard of Biloxi.

Senter ruled Thursday morning that State Farm is liable for $223,292 in damage caused by Hurricane Katrina to the Broussards' home. Senter left the punitive damages to the jury.

Senter's decision to make a directed verdict rather than let the jury decide the entire case appeared to surprise everyone in the courtroom. After he explained his ruling, Senter ordered a recess to give attorneys time "to get over the shock."

After the jury announced its award, the Broussards left the courthouse arm in arm.

"It's a great day for south Mississippi," Norman Broussard said.

Some of Senter's earlier rulings in other Katrina cases have favored the insurance industry, but his decision Thursday calls into question the companies' refusal to cover billions of dollars in damage from Katrina's storm surge.

The judge's decision and the jury's award also are likely to impact recent settlement talks between State Farm, Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood and other plaintiffs' attorneys.

Earlier this week, people with direct knowledge of the settlement talks told The Associated Press that State Farm, Mississippi's largest home insurer, is considering paying hundreds of millions of dollars to settle more than 600 lawsuits and resolve thousands of other disputed claims.

The Broussards' case wasn't directly part of those negotiations, but Hood said Thursday the verdicts only strengthen his position in the ongoing settlement talks.

"Hopefully they will come to their senses and realize that the American people are not going to stand for robber baron companies, like the insurance companies, running over people," the attorney general said.

However, Hood conceded that a company as large as State Farm isn't likely to "blink very much" in the face of a single jury award.

"I'm sure they're in shock, but that can't hurt them," said Hood, who declined to elaborate on the status of the settlement talks with State Farm.

Randy Maniloff, a Philadelphia-based lawyer who represents insurers and has closely followed the Katrina litigation, said Senter's ruling was a "huge verdict" for homeowners even if the jury hadn't awarded punitive damages.

"That settlement is looking awfully good for State Farm now," he added.

The Broussards sued State Farm for refusing to pay for any damage to their home, which Katrina reduced to a slab. The couple wanted State Farm to pay for the full insured value of their home plus $5 million in punitive damages. The Broussards claimed a tornado during the hurricane destroyed their home. State Farm blamed all the damage on Katrina's storm surge.

State Farm and other insurers say their homeowner policies cover damage from wind but not from water, and that the policies exclude damage that could have been caused by a combination of both, even if hurricane-force winds preceded a storm's rising water.

Senter, however, ruled that State Farm couldn't prove that Katrina's storm surge was responsible for all of the damage to the Broussards' home. The judge also said the testimony failed to establish how much damage was caused by wind and how much resulted from storm surge.

State Farm spokesman Phil Supple said after the jury's verdict that the company is likely to appeal the decision.

"We are surprised and disappointed by both the judge's ruling on the coverage issues and the amount awarded by the jury for punitive damages," he said in a written statement. "We believe the expert testimony supported a different result."

Jack Denton, one of the couple's attorneys, said they are "very pleased" with the jury's verdict but declined further comment.

"Obviously we have other trials coming up and don't want to jeopardize those cases," he added.

Thursday's verdict follows another federal judge's ruling that favored policyholders in Louisiana. In November, U.S. District Judge Stanwood Duval Jr. sided with New Orleans homeowners who argued that the language excluding water damage from some insurance policies was ambiguous.

Duval allowed a lawsuit against The Allstate Corp., The St. Paul Travelers Companies Inc. and other insurers to proceed, but said the issue of "flood exclusion" could be appealed immediately by the companies.

In his closing argument Thursday, one of the Broussards' attorneys, William Walker, said State Farm had breached their contract "in a bad way" by denying their claim. State Farm "acted like a chiseler," he said, adding, "The pocketbook is what they listen to."

State Farm attorney John Banahan urged jurors to "use your head and your heart" in deciding on punitive damages and to reject an attempt by the Broussards' attorney to demonize the company as an "evil empire."

Robert Hartwig, chief economist for the Insurance Information Institute in New York, said before the jury announced its decision that a punitive damage award would be "distressing" for insurers.

"It adds even more cost and more uncertainty to the other problems that already exist in the Mississippi homeowners insurance market," he said.

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I hope this sets a MAJOR precedent! You pay and pay and pay for insurance to protect an investment and then the people that are SUPPOSED to be covering you say, "OH sorry we don't/can't cover THAT!"

BULL! :shocked:
 
What those insurance companies doing is below pathetic down there. Claiming they only cover wind damage but not flood. The roof blows off the house from the hurricane and they void the plan because the rain fell into the house after the roof fell off.

I hope there are more judgements like this, that is just a sick and sleezy way to get out from underneath your contractual obligations by the insurance companies.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
I think this court decision is great.

Originally posted by: Genx87
What those insurance companies doing is below pathetic down there. Claiming they only cover wind damage but not flood.

The roof blows off the house from the hurricane and they void the plan because the rain fell into the house after the roof fell off.

I hope there are more judgements like this, that is just a sick and sleezy way to get out from underneath your contractual obligations by the insurance companies.

What? :shocked:

I honestly cannot believe you guys turning on your corporate greed gods.
 
Too bad this is a double-edged sword. By awarding punitive damages in that amount insurance company's will leave the state. Now you have all these people that got their homes rebuilt but are going to be unable to insure them at an affordable rate.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz
I think this court decision is great.

Originally posted by: Genx87
What those insurance companies doing is below pathetic down there. Claiming they only cover wind damage but not flood.

The roof blows off the house from the hurricane and they void the plan because the rain fell into the house after the roof fell off.

I hope there are more judgements like this, that is just a sick and sleezy way to get out from underneath your contractual obligations by the insurance companies.

What? :shocked:

I honestly cannot believe you guys turning on your corporate greed gods.

What? You think I'm for insurance companies ripping people off? Give me a break.
 
Well go ahead and cheer the lawyers on when you look at your next insurance bill.


Sorry, but in areas where floods are possible, and storms surges are flood waters, you are only covered if you pay for it. A tornado will not leave an empty slab which is what occured in many areas down there; yes I have friends in the area and even they lost homes to the surge.

Yeah while it sucks they lost their house the insurance company is right, its flood damage. That doesn't matter to lawyers and politicians who either want your money or your vote. They realize how easily people are duped into thinking this won't cost them anything because evil corporations have tons off ill gotten wealth.

Tell that to people living in Florida now who pay astronomical insurance all because those companies were required to pay for stuff people didn't pay to cover.

This ruling will bite the people who think they are reaping rewards, the only real winners will be the lawyers. Welcome to sky high rates Mississippi
 
"Now you have all these people that got their homes rebuilt but are going to be unable to insure them at an affordable rate. "

Soooo. . .They could insure them before, but the insurance wouldn't cover the damage anyway. . .

I think I can sum this up with one letter:
K.
 
What sickens me is the people who continually rebuild in high risk areas, and then complain about high insurance rates. Meanwhile my parent's home sits undamaged for 15+ years and they have to pay extremely high rates just because they are in Florida.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz
I think this court decision is great.

Originally posted by: Genx87
What those insurance companies doing is below pathetic down there. Claiming they only cover wind damage but not flood.

The roof blows off the house from the hurricane and they void the plan because the rain fell into the house after the roof fell off.

I hope there are more judgements like this, that is just a sick and sleezy way to get out from underneath your contractual obligations by the insurance companies.

What? :shocked:

I honestly cannot believe you guys turning on your corporate greed gods.

What? You think I'm for insurance companies ripping people off?

Yes, I most certainly do.

Everything you have said and supported all manners of Corporate thuggery put forth by the Republican agenda.

You're not getting out of that bed now.
 
Originally posted by: Trevelyan
What sickens me is the people who continually rebuild in high risk areas, and then complain about high insurance rates. Meanwhile my parent's home sits undamaged for 15+ years and they have to pay extremely high rates just because they are in Florida.

Pretty much the entire state of Florida is high risk.

 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
A tornado will not leave an empty slab which is what occured in many areas down there;

I guess you haven't been to Oklahoma in the Spring time have you?
 
Originally posted by: Zorba
Originally posted by: Shivetya
A tornado will not leave an empty slab which is what occured in many areas down there;

I guess you haven't been to Oklahoma in the Spring time have you?

Really, all he has to do is google F5 Moore Oklahoma.

That's why I bought a house with a Tornado shelter.
 
Awarding punitive damages is not a good thing.
Not only does it result in companies like State Farm pulling out of the area, it also impacts other lines of insurance (for example Employment Practices, Lawyers Professional, Architechts and Engineers Liability).
Once a state becomes known as a "punitive damage" state, insuranace companies from all lines want nothing to do with it. Insurance is a business. Coverages are designed to make the insurance company money.
Fine, award coverage for the floods (unless there was an offer for flood insurance and the person turned it down), but don't award punitive damages. It is going to cost the state more than the $2.5M they awarded.
 
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Awarding punitive damages is not a good thing.
Not only does it result in companies like State Farm pulling out of the area, it also impacts other lines of insurance (for example Employment Practices, Lawyers Professional, Architechts and Engineers Liability).
Once a state becomes known as a "punitive damage" state, insuranace companies from all lines want nothing to do with it. Insurance is a business. Coverages are designed to make the insurance company money.
Fine, award coverage for the floods (unless there was an offer for flood insurance and the person turned it down), but don't award punitive damages. It is going to cost the state more than the $2.5M they awarded.

Awwwwwww What insurance company do you work for?
 
I do work for an insurance company (not to be named).
And we don't write any business in MS (or LA for that matter). We are a top fortune 500 company too that writes multiple lines of coverage.
Go ahead and award damages, but punitive......that's just shooting yourself in the foot.
Personally it doesn't bother me in the least. They can award them $2.5 billion for all I care. Then when companies won't offer coverage there, the residents will know why.

EDIT: and for the record, I am in a dispute with state farm over water damage to my residence. They are covering it, but reluctantly. It just comes down to making sure you have the right kind of coverage.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Zorba
Originally posted by: Shivetya
A tornado will not leave an empty slab which is what occured in many areas down there;

I guess you haven't been to Oklahoma in the Spring time have you?

Really, all he has to do is google F5 Moore Oklahoma.

That's why I bought a house with a Tornado shelter.

That tornado single handedly saved the "safe-room" industry. Hell even my duplex has a safe room in it.
 
Go figure, insurance companies trying to weasel out of paying claims. If they can't handle the risk, they should never have taken the checks and issued the coverage.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
What those insurance companies doing is below pathetic down there. Claiming they only cover wind damage but not flood. The roof blows off the house from the hurricane and they void the plan because the rain fell into the house after the roof fell off.

I hope there are more judgements like this, that is just a sick and sleezy way to get out from underneath your contractual obligations by the insurance companies.

Man I remember reading about someone on Anand living in a condo down there and their company refused to cover them because the roof came off and the rain fell in.

It's total BS because the wording in most coverage is open to debate. They probably wouldn't sell much insurance if they spelled it out in detail.
 
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
I do work for an insurance company (not to be named).
And we don't write any business in MS (or LA for that matter). We are a top fortune 500 company too that writes multiple lines of coverage.
Go ahead and award damages, but punitive......that's just shooting yourself in the foot.
Personally it doesn't bother me in the least. They can award them $2.5 billion for all I care. Then when companies won't offer coverage there, the residents will know why.

EDIT: and for the record, I am in a dispute with state farm over water damage to my residence. They are covering it, but reluctantly. It just comes down to making sure you have the right kind of coverage.

Punitive damages are the only thing keeping insurance companies honest. If there was no threat of large punitive damages then insurance companies would deny every claim made and make the people sue them to get the money.
 
Originally posted by: firstdivision
Too bad this is a double-edged sword. By awarding punitive damages in that amount insurance company's will leave the state. Now you have all these people that got their homes rebuilt but are going to be unable to insure them at an affordable rate.

I don't think anyone would miss the insurances companies that don't actually provide insurance.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz
I think this court decision is great.

Originally posted by: Genx87
What those insurance companies doing is below pathetic down there. Claiming they only cover wind damage but not flood.

The roof blows off the house from the hurricane and they void the plan because the rain fell into the house after the roof fell off.

I hope there are more judgements like this, that is just a sick and sleezy way to get out from underneath your contractual obligations by the insurance companies.

What? :shocked:

I honestly cannot believe you guys turning on your corporate greed gods.

What? You think I'm for insurance companies ripping people off?

Yes, I most certainly do.

Everything you have said and supported all manners of Corporate thuggery put forth by the Republican agenda.

You're not getting out of that bed now.

So even though I just said I think the court decision is great, you're calling me a liar? Why exactly would I lie on a message board? Furthermore, I challenge you to find a quote of me saying I'm for corporate thievery. Go get'em.
 
The problem with awards like this is that we don?t live in a vacuum. State Farm is not going to just piss away $2.5 million. Instead they will just charge other people more money for their insurance and in the end everyone will pay a little more for insurance.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The problem with awards like this is that we don?t live in a vacuum. State Farm is not going to just piss away $2.5 million. Instead they will just charge other people more money for their insurance and in the end everyone will pay a little more for insurance.

I'm not sure about you but I'd gladly pay a little more for insurance if it means that hundreds of families that almost got entirely fvcked over by the insurance company they've been paying for years to protect their investment were forced to hold up their end of the deal

It's not about the money as much as it is the fact that they were trying to pull fast ones on families because they assumed that their high priced lawyers would get them out of settling. Arguing over wording is one thing but it's not a business if it's only a one sided equation. They shouldn't be able to make billions for nothing.
 
Originally posted by: Shortass
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The problem with awards like this is that we don?t live in a vacuum. State Farm is not going to just piss away $2.5 million. Instead they will just charge other people more money for their insurance and in the end everyone will pay a little more for insurance.

I'm not sure about you but I'd gladly pay a little more for insurance if it means that hundreds of families that almost got entirely fvcked over by the insurance company they've been paying for years to protect their investment were forced to hold up their end of the deal

It's not about the money as much as it is the fact that they were trying to pull fast ones on families because they assumed that their high priced lawyers would get them out of settling. Arguing over wording is one thing but it's not a business if it's only a one sided equation. They shouldn't be able to make billions for nothing.
My comment was aimed soley at the punitive award. I have no problem with forcing them to meet their end of the agreement. I disagree with the punitive part.
 
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