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Punishment

Originally posted by: jmelnek
yep...plus the death penalty....murder is murder.
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What would you say if they truely didn't understand the gravity of their crimes? In other words, once you kill someone, they are dead and they never come back. These boys may not have understood that.
 
F-d up story. Saw it on 60 Minutes a while ago. While I think older juveniles should be tried as adults in cases of violent crime, twelve is just way too young.
 
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: jmelnek
yep...plus the death penalty....murder is murder.
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What would you say if they truely didn't understand the gravity of their crimes? In other words, once you kill someone, they are dead and they never come back. These boys may not have understood that.
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I'm sure they understood death. Sometimes kids don't get enough credit for understanding stuff like this. If there was anything that they didn't understand, it was the consequences that it would have on the kid's friends, family, etc. They probably didn't think of that, didn't care, or were just horrible people. Personally, I think murder at the age of 12 cannot be rehabilitated, so jail is a meaningless burden on tax payers. Death sentence would never fly with the media or the majority of the population.
 
Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm sure they understood death. Sometimes kids don't get enough credit for understanding stuff like this. If there was anything that they didn't understand, it was the consequences that it would have on the kid's friends, family, etc. They probably didn't think of that, didn't care, or were just horrible people. Personally, I think murder at the age of 12 cannot be rehabilitated, so jail is a meaningless burden on tax payers. Death sentence would never fly with the media or the majority of the population.
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If they totally understood the meaning of their actions, then they should be put to death. I am just not sure that they did.
 
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I'm sure they understood death. Sometimes kids don't get enough credit for understanding stuff like this. If there was anything that they didn't understand, it was the consequences that it would have on the kid's friends, family, etc. They probably didn't think of that, didn't care, or were just horrible people. Personally, I think murder at the age of 12 cannot be rehabilitated, so jail is a meaningless burden on tax payers. Death sentence would never fly with the media or the majority of the population.
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If they totally understood the meaning of their actions, then they should be put to death. I am just not sure that they did.
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I think that the knew what they were doing, but didn't think about it at all. 'Ragin hormones', which is not an excuse. Depending, the parents may need to get some punishment too. Kids with good parents don't murder people.
 
Kids can be so very cruel. 🙁

And I think they did more than I want to give them the benefit of the doubt - there's the class clown and a doofus, and their purported victim is (mildly?) retarded: it doesn't look too unlikely.
 
If they are as innocent as they claim, then it won't matter how they are tried because they'll be found not-guilty. But if they aren't innocent, then they deserve to be in prison for a while.

Death Penalty? Hell no! While Murder IS Murder, I know I did some really dumb things as a kid that I regret every day of my life... none of them as extreme as doing serious harm to another person, but to be honest, I still can't explain why I did some of them.

They should be responsible for their actions, but I don't exactly see how killing a couple of kids who are barely teenagers will rest the victim's parent's hearts... or anyone's hearts, for that matter.

Sure, it's easy for some people to say "Kill them!" but they clearly don't know what they are saying. While I agree that eye-for-an-eye is often fair, it stops before it hits the death penalty. The death penalty is for those wastes of flesh that don't deserve even a dank cell with moldy old food 3 times a day and a bucket to take a dump in. I hardly consider these kids a burden to society. I consider them stupid kids, and stupid kids need to be taught lessons the hard way, not killed.

Killing them would be about as bad as an owner putting an animal down because they can't housebreak them properly.
 
Lock them up forever. I'm against the death penalty, but let's be serious here those sh*ts will never amount to a damn thing in society. Throw them into a labor camp and forget them.
 
Originally posted by: Ness
If they are as innocent as they claim, then it won't matter how they are tried because they'll be found not-guilty. But if they aren't innocent, then they deserve to be in prison for a while.

Death Penalty? Hell no! While Murder IS Murder, I know I did some really dumb things as a kid that I regret every day of my life... none of them as extreme as doing serious harm to another person, but to be honest, I still can't explain why I did some of them.

They should be responsible for their actions, but I don't exactly see how killing a couple of kids who are barely teenagers will rest the victim's parent's hearts... or anyone's hearts, for that matter.

Sure, it's easy for some people to say "Kill them!" but they clearly don't know what they are saying. While I agree that eye-for-an-eye is often fair, it stops before it hits the death penalty. The death penalty is for those wastes of flesh that don't deserve even a dank cell with moldy old food 3 times a day and a bucket to take a dump in. I hardly consider these kids a burden to society. I consider them stupid kids, and stupid kids need to be taught lessons the hard way, not killed.

Killing them would be about as bad as an owner putting an animal down because they can't housebreak them properly.
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I think the life sentence should be abolished, in most cases. Why make the taxpayers support somebody rotting away in prison for the rest of their life? What the heck does that accomplish? They get taken out of society... death sentence does the same thing for a lot cheaper.
 
I think the life sentence should be abolished, in most cases. Why make the taxpayers support somebody rotting away in prison for the rest of their life? What the heck does that accomplish? They get taken out of society... death sentence does the same thing for a lot cheaper.
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It's more expensive, after legal fees and what not, than a life sentence. And to make it cheaper would be cutting corners.
 
at 12-13 years old you're probably in the 7th grade. at that point you know exactly what killing someone is and does and I find it very hard to believe that these kids would keep changing their stories and not tell anyone about what happened at first.
 
well, let's see... if they're tried as adults they'd likely get 20-26 years in prison, according to the article. then they'd have spent their entire adolescense and young to full adulthood in prison. if they're maladjusted at 12, how f*cked up do you think they'll be at 38, having spent more than 2/3 of their lives in prison? is the crime heinous? yes. should they be punished? absolutely. tried as adults? no way in hell. previous posters have said they wanted the kids fried or thrown in jail forever. since neither of those will happen, would they rather have the kids go through juvie and at least try to be rehabilitated? or just the standard 20-26 and have them more or less guaranteed to be life-long violent criminals, seeing as how that's who they'll be raised and completely surrounded by? those are the ONLY two options. so pick one.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think the life sentence should be abolished, in most cases. Why make the taxpayers support somebody rotting away in prison for the rest of their life? What the heck does that accomplish? They get taken out of society... death sentence does the same thing for a lot cheaper.
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It's more expensive, after legal fees and what not, than a life sentence. And to make it cheaper would be cutting corners.
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Myth.
 
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: jmelnek
yep...plus the death penalty....murder is murder.
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What would you say if they truely didn't understand the gravity of their crimes? In other words, once you kill someone, they are dead and they never come back. These boys may not have understood that.
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There are some crimes that are so abhorrent and repulsive that it may not matter if the guilty party understands the gravity of their actions. Heck, Hitler understood what he was doing and even thought it was the right thing to do. Should we have let him off because he thought he was doing something good?
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think the life sentence should be abolished, in most cases. Why make the taxpayers support somebody rotting away in prison for the rest of their life? What the heck does that accomplish? They get taken out of society... death sentence does the same thing for a lot cheaper.
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It's more expensive, after legal fees and what not, than a life sentence. And to make it cheaper would be cutting corners.
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Myth.
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Data? I'm curious. Humor a liberal. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Chumpman
at 12-13 years old you're probably in the 7th grade. at that point you know exactly what killing someone is and does and I find it very hard to believe that these kids would keep changing their stories and not tell anyone about what happened at first.
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Perhaps you didn't read towards the end of the cbs article, which illustrated how stupid these kids are (or at least one of them) Stupid is as stupid does. Doesn't justify murder, but it at least explains a tad bit more.
 
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