CPA
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Originally posted by: dartworth
that is a perfect example of what is wrong with parents today...
No it is not. The incident occured during a hockey scrimmage. That environment is the coach's domain. Hell, the parent shouldn't even have been involved. The coach needs to hammer out the rules, the justice and the punishment to his players.
I'm a coach of a youth football team. I've done it for 7 years. I would never expect a parent to come out and explain something to "little johnny" that happened while under my care on the field. I'm in charge and the kids will follow my rules and mete out my punishment.
edit: desy, your coach is not in control of his team and/or is not coaching properly if your boy is blatantly not playing within the rules. I'd be more concerned that he's getting the proper direction in how to play the game than punishing him.
dartworth
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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: dartworth
that is a perfect example of what is wrong with parents today...
No it is not. The incident occured during a hockey scrimmage. That environment is the coach's domain. Hell, the parent shouldn't even have been involved. The coach needs to hammer out the rules, the justice and the punishment to his players.
I'm a coach of a youth football team. I've done it for 7 years. I would never expect a parent to come out and explain something to "little johnny" that happened while under my care on the field. I'm in charge and the kids will follow my rules and mete out my punishment.
Yes, we've seen the videos of the over bearing parents running on to the field of play.
I will agree that its not a parents job or place to interfere with the coach, and the isn't what the OP was asking. If I am reading the OP correctly, he didn't even know it happened until the ref told him after the game.
If this were my kid, I would speak to him about it and let it be known that he is to listen to the coach and to the ref. I wouldn't want to see my kid turn into the "bully" on the ice that no one likes...and don't punch other kids in the head son, its just not cool.
CPA
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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: dartworth
that is a perfect example of what is wrong with parents today...
No it is not. The incident occured during a hockey scrimmage. That environment is the coach's domain. Hell, the parent shouldn't even have been involved. The coach needs to hammer out the rules, the justice and the punishment to his players.
I'm a coach of a youth football team. I've done it for 7 years. I would never expect a parent to come out and explain something to "little johnny" that happened while under my care on the field. I'm in charge and the kids will follow my rules and mete out my punishment.
Yes, we've seen the videos of the over bearing parents running on to the field of play.
I will agree that its not a parents job or place to interfere with the coach, and the isn't what the OP was asking. If I am reading the OP correctly, he didn't even know it happened until the ref told him after the game.
If this were my kid, I would speak to him about it and let it be known that he is to listen to the coach and to the ref. I wouldn't want to see my kid turn into the "bully" on the ice that no one likes...and don't punch other kids in the head son, its just not cool.
I think you're right about the events, and my point is the coach shouldn't even have gone to the parents, especially since this was a one-time event. If after several practices/scrimmages, the boy is still doing the same thing then a talk with the dad or mom is in order. My feelings, however, is that the coach made a mountain out of a molehill.
I had a mom call this season (she left a message) because I was looking at replacing her son as my starting LT. She called because her son went to her whining about the situation. Not once did he come up to me to ask why we were looking at other players. I didn't call the mom back and at the next practice I told the boy if he had any concerns about his playing time that he needed to come speak to me. He nodded his head, said "yes sir", went back to playing and won back his spot. My discussions are between the player and me, not the mom or dad, unless it's warranted.
I'm kind of confused with this story as I can't seem to follow who is coach, who is ref, although I think I've figured out who is the dad. It seems the ref is a coach, and also that the dad is a coach, and they coach the same team.Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: dartworth
that is a perfect example of what is wrong with parents today...
No it is not. The incident occured during a hockey scrimmage. That environment is the coach's domain. Hell, the parent shouldn't even have been involved. The coach needs to hammer out the rules, the justice and the punishment to his players.
I'm a coach of a youth football team. I've done it for 7 years. I would never expect a parent to come out and explain something to "little johnny" that happened while under my care on the field. I'm in charge and the kids will follow my rules and mete out my punishment.
Yes, we've seen the videos of the over bearing parents running on to the field of play.
I will agree that its not a parents job or place to interfere with the coach, and the isn't what the OP was asking. If I am reading the OP correctly, he didn't even know it happened until the ref told him after the game.
If this were my kid, I would speak to him about it and let it be known that he is to listen to the coach and to the ref. I wouldn't want to see my kid turn into the "bully" on the ice that no one likes...and don't punch other kids in the head son, its just not cool.
In any case, assuming I was nothing but a parent and a ref came up to me after the game and said that about my kid, the only thing I would do is tell the coach about it and tell him I expect him to handle it, but let me know if he needs me to get involved. I'm with CPA in that something like this is best handled by the coach until it becomes a parenting problem that's beyond mere coaching and player discipline.
As for desy, sounds like his plan of handling the situation is about right. Not too stern and the kid is only six anyway.
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So, a child's parent shouldn't ever instill the idea that a coach and referee is someone to be respected? Come on. No-one is suggesting that a parent go out onto the ice and yell at the kid during practice, but if the parent finds out that the kid is disobeying the coach or is doing things behind the coach's and referees' backs, then the parent absolutely needs to take action (outside of the sport, on the rink is the coach's domain).
ZV
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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: dartworth
that is a perfect example of what is wrong with parents today...
:roll:
whatever.
Are you a parent?
yes to 2 girls and a boy. oldest girl is 14 and has been in competive soccer since she was 9 and we have taken may long road trip for her club. middle daughter isn't into sports. my son is 8 and is a wrestler.
I have never interfered with a coach and how he runs his team.
you trying to make a point?
Skunkwourk
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: dartworth
that is a perfect example of what is wrong with parents today...
:roll:
whatever.
Are you a parent?
yes to 2 girls and a boy. oldest girl is 14 and has been in competive soccer since she was 9 and we have taken may long road trip for her club. middle daughter isn't into sports. my son is 8 and is a wrestler.
I have never interfered with a coach and how he runs his team.
you trying to make a point?
I would actually agree with you except the coach told him which in my mind says "do something about your kid". I'd let the coach do his thing until he asks me to get involved.
HeroOfPellinor
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OP already explained that this isn't an actual organized league....nos core kept, no penalties called.......just a bunch of youngster learning some of the basics to the game and having fun..........and one of them punching the others in the head.
So this is equivolent to your kid beating on kids in day care. You want the teacher to decide how to handle it?
I tend think the problem will clear itself out as soon as he tries that with a kid tougher than him or one of the kids he hits falls and breaks his nose.
So it went as planned, he knew what I was talking about.
At the start of practice we skated over to a net and we went over the incident, he sat in the penalty box for 6 minutes.
Consequences are even one incident and he's going to miss some hockey and he better listen when an adult tells him something first time.
Finally, I made him apologize to the other coach for not listening.
Seems to be a lot of debate about parent/coach roles. If the other coach felt this was handled I'm sure he wouldn't have brought it up or just said it was delt with, I'm fine with not being involved with every incident with him. This was a repeated disregard for what he was being told though.
Kids are so geared up I'm sure he didn't even think he was hurting the other kids because you will see the little buggers often punching, tripping, hacking at each other because they really can't feel anything as the helmets are full cages. Usually its hurt feelings.
Next game is Friday, we will see what happens, and I?ll be running the time clock so I won't be there to manage his on-ice behaviour. As he ages and it gets more structured it would definitely be left to the coach?s discretion
At the start of practice we skated over to a net and we went over the incident, he sat in the penalty box for 6 minutes.
Consequences are even one incident and he's going to miss some hockey and he better listen when an adult tells him something first time.
Finally, I made him apologize to the other coach for not listening.
Seems to be a lot of debate about parent/coach roles. If the other coach felt this was handled I'm sure he wouldn't have brought it up or just said it was delt with, I'm fine with not being involved with every incident with him. This was a repeated disregard for what he was being told though.
Kids are so geared up I'm sure he didn't even think he was hurting the other kids because you will see the little buggers often punching, tripping, hacking at each other because they really can't feel anything as the helmets are full cages. Usually its hurt feelings.
Next game is Friday, we will see what happens, and I?ll be running the time clock so I won't be there to manage his on-ice behaviour. As he ages and it gets more structured it would definitely be left to the coach?s discretion
Hey its sports, and that is smart to think like wise. However, he should listen to the ref when told not to do something. I would punish him for not listening when told not to do something. My opinion anyways, and I don;t have any kids so..
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I guess I dont understand pee-wee hockey because your post didn't really make sense to me. He's playing "net" for a shift. I assume there are no real goalies and the kid is just standing in front of the goal. Thats fine... but how can a 6 year old punch someone through the net of the goal? What are you referring to as "pins" ? The other players' skates? The goal's?
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