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Viper1j

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A blind man could see Trump is a Russia asset.


Navy secretary 'fired' for proposing 'secret agreement' with White House in SEAL case, senior defense official says

In an extraordinary move, the Pentagon chief "fired" the Navy secretary for going outside his chain of command by proposing a "secret agreement with the White House," according to a senior defense official.

The agreement that led to Defense Secretary Mark Esper forcing Navy Secretary Richard Spencer's resignation involved the case of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher. The official said Spencer had proposed to the White House a review with a secret guarantee that Gallagher would be allowed to keep his status as a SEAL. That would go counter to the ongoing review underway by the Navy to take away Gallagher's status.
Gallagher was earlier convicted of bringing discredit to the armed services after posing next to a dead ISIS fighter's body, which is against regulations. He was then demoted in rank -- a decision President Donald Trump a week ago reversed in a move that went against earlier guidance from Esper and angered military officials. Military officials then moved ahead with the process to review Gallagher's status in the elite group. Esper decided Gallagher would now keep his status because he "has little confidence that Gallagher would get a fair shake now from the Navy," the official told CNN. Gallagher is now expected to retire from the Navy on November 30.

Spencer, the official said, was not "fired" for failing to carry out Trump's wishes, because the President had not wanted a review at all.
Spencer went around his own chain of command -- namely Defense Secretary Mark Esper -- and straight to the White House, a violation of military policy, the official said.

Esper on Sunday asked for Spencer's resignation after "losing trust" and "confidence in him," according to a statement released by Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman. Spencer's private request to restore Gallagher's rank and allow him to retire with his Trident pin directly contradicted his public position, according to the statement.

"I am deeply troubled by this conduct shown by a senior DOD official," Esper said in the statement. "Unfortunately, as a result I have determined that Secretary Spencer no longer has my confidence to continue in his position. I wish Richard well."
When asked for comment, a spokesman for Spencer directed CNN to the Pentagon's statement. Spencer on Sunday submitted a letter -- which CNN has obtained -- to Trump that acknowledged his termination.

The Washington Post first reported on Esper asking for Spencer's resignation.
The senior defense official said Esper first learned of Spencer's conversations with the White House on Friday, but that Spencer's proposal was never approved.

When Spencer then spoke over the weekend at the Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia, Canada, Esper felt "his public statements did not match up" with what he had been doing privately, according to the official. Last week, Trump tweeted that he wouldn't let the Navy punish Gallagher, saying, "The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher's Trident Pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!" The Trident Pin, which is worn by Navy SEALs, is awarded following their completion of an intense qualification course and symbolizes membership in the elite military community.

The President's decision not only restored Gallagher's rank but also pardoned two other service members, and in doing so he ignored advice from Esper and other top military officials. The New York Times reported Saturday that Spencer and Rear Adm. Collin Green, the admiral overseeing the SEALs, threatened to resign over the possible intervention by Trump. Spencer denied later Saturday that either he or Green made any such threat.
 

BoomerD

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Spencer left with a classy letter...


He did get in a nice dig or two though...

Unfortunately it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline.

"I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."
 

Viper1j

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Totally normal things that happen.

Himmler: "Mein Furher, Adolf Eichmann has committed suicide."
Hitler: "You Fool! He was ALLOWED to commit suicide!"

Yep, just another day in the neighborhood.
 

VRAMdemon

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I'm sure Turmp wanted the US to pull out of NATO ever since he got back from a trip to Moscow in 1987. I wonder where he got the idea. Most likely Trump was marked as a asset long before then, and that he was bugged the minute his shoe touched chintzy Aeroflot carpet.

If KGB wants to control someone, they pick somebody who fears exposure and has a clearance to lose. All they need is for the mark to either take or hand something to them, and they can blackmail you. But sometimes you have to wonder what KGB could use on Trump. He's so damned stupid. But... Actually his stupidity is his most useful trait.

He's not ashamed of anything except poverty. The honey trap is a Putin speciality. There was an Intourist hotel that some private company bought in Moscow, and they found it was laden with bugs and surveillance equipment. That hotel was notable in the 90s for the prostitutes sitting in rows in the lobby. Knowing Trump, he was sucked in.

He wants the military to be personally loyal to him. He wants it to be his own personal political tool.

Never mind that there is a reason the oath is to the Constitution, NOT to any person.

A guy who was a draft dodger, a guy who sells us out on an daily basis to line his own pockets, a guy who undermines national security for personal gain and to stroke his own ego, has the balls to attack the people who ARE loyal to the country.

...and let's consider who ultimately benefits the most from controversies between a Russian asset and the professional military?
 

Viper1j

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I'm sure Turmp wanted the US to pull out of NATO ever since he got back from a trip to Moscow in 1987. I wonder where he got the idea. Most likely Trump was marked as a asset long before then, and that he was bugged the minute his shoe touched chintzy Aeroflot carpet.

If KGB wants to control someone, they pick somebody who fears exposure and has a clearance to lose. All they need is for the mark to either take or hand something to them, and they can blackmail you. But sometimes you have to wonder what KGB could use on Trump. He's so damned stupid. But... Actually his stupidity is his most useful trait.

He's not ashamed of anything except poverty. The honey trap is a Putin speciality. There was an Intourist hotel that some private company bought in Moscow, and they found it was laden with bugs and surveillance equipment. That hotel was notable in the 90s for the prostitutes sitting in rows in the lobby. Knowing Trump, he was sucked in.

He wants the military to be personally loyal to him. He wants it to be his own personal political tool.

Never mind that there is a reason the oath is to the Constitution, NOT to any person.

A guy who was a draft dodger, a guy who sells us out on an daily basis to line his own pockets, a guy who undermines national security for personal gain and to stroke his own ego, has the balls to attack the people who ARE loyal to the country.

...and let's consider who ultimately benefits the most from controversies between a Russian asset and the professional military?

I wonder what would happen if ALL the generals told Trump to go fuck himself..
 

Viper1j

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I'm probably just ignorant, but what's the Russia connection here?

Ever see the movie SALT?

Consider the possibility that Trump was a sleeper agent planted years ago, recently activated after winning the election to destabilize the US military.

It's pretty much common knowledge that he is Putin's bitch, but could he be more?

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thilanliyan

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Ever see the movie SALT?

Consider the possibility that Trump was a sleeper agent planted years ago, recently activated after winning the election to destabilize the US military.

It's pretty much common knowledge that he is Putin's bitch, but could he be more?
I don't doubt that Putin wants to destabilize the US, but this particular case, I doubt it has anything to do with Trump doing Putin's bidding. IMO this is happening because Trump has fantasies of "warriors" and wants to be liked by them...nothing more.
 

Viper1j

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I don't doubt that Putin wants to destabilize the US, but this particular case, I doubt it has anything to do with Trump doing Putin's bidding. IMO this is happening because Trump has fantasies of "warriors" and wants to be liked by them...nothing more.

Trump has a history of being Putin's bitch..

Whether it's because Vlad has the pee pee video, or because he's in love. The result will be the same.