PSU suggestions for new system

VanTheMan

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From the reading I've been doing it looks like Seasonic, Fortron or Enermax are all safe bets, but I wanted to get some opinions on models. I was thinking the 480W+ range. I'm building a new system, so I'll describe what my system layout will be and you guys can tell me if something like the S12-500 is overkill or if I can safely get by with fewer watts (aka spending less money) :)

A8N-SLI Deluxe
Athlon 64 3200+ Venice E6
2x IDE HDD
1x CD-RW
1x DVD-RW
2x 512MB Corsair XMS3200
not sure about GPU yet, but something like 6800GT or 7600GT (non-SLI)
1-2 case fans

Any suggestions are appreciated.
 

Ultralight

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No, I surely don't think that is overkill. Like your choices but I would seriously consider 2 gigs of RAM in a 2x1 set-up.

I notice you are wanting to purchase a SLi motherboard but when you list your video cards you mention non-SLi. If you arent going to use SLi then by all means don't get a SLi board, save the money, and place it elsewhere.
 

Ike0069

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The S12 500 is a very good choice, but there are cheaper alternatives.
Tthe Fortron AX500 (Blue storm) is a great PSU.
 

VanTheMan

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I decided on the SLI motherboard because it gives me on board firewire (video capturing) and the ability to go with an SLI setup in the future. I didn't pay very much more for a new retail boxed SLI board than I would have for the non-SLI board. Why would you recommend 2GB in a 2x1? I already have the Corsair Platinum from my old system, so that's why I'm currently going with it. So you guys don't think it would be prudent to go with anything less than 480-500W?
 

Clue69Less

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Originally posted by: VanTheMan
I decided on the SLI motherboard because it gives me on board firewire (video capturing) and the ability to go with an SLI setup in the future. I didn't pay very much more for a new retail boxed SLI board than I would have for the non-SLI board. Why would you recommend 2GB in a 2x1? I already have the Corsair Platinum from my old system, so that's why I'm currently going with it. So you guys don't think it would be prudent to go with anything less than 480-500W?

Especially if you are considering SLI in the future, go for plenty of PS guts. Since you do video, you might end up adding more HD capacity. It all adds up! I've been there and have suffered the fate of the underpowered and it ain't pretty...

 

GalvanizedYankee

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All three brand names you post are VG units=your call. Clean, stable power should be of primary concern and efficiency secondary. http://www.jonnyguru.com/PSUInquisitor is a VG resource, click on his name for even more resource, his Blog is kept current.

The new GH series of Enhance will be out in 2~3 weeks, many are listed at http://www.80plus.org/ This brand rates with Seasonic & Enermax.

The new M12 series of semi-modular Seasonics will be out very soon. This *could* mean a drop in S12 prices.

Some PSUs do poorly at low output but by 300W output have gathered thier skirts and jump to 77% efficiency. The Enhance ENS-0560G I just bought for $99 is like this. This unit will Froogle for $110. It is rebranded to be the Silverstone Strider 600W. For lite duty use go with something different but for a gaming machine it is the bargain of the moment.




...Galvanized
 

dBTelos

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I'll put it short...

If you think you will go SLi before you get a new PSU, then go 500W by one of the brands above. If not and only your current setup then a 450W Fortron would be perfect.
 

Operandi

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The 330 watt S12 would be plenty for what you plan to build. If you think you might go SLI in later maybe opt for the 380 watt S12.

Although you didn't ask I would move up to the A8N-SLI Premium (passive heatpipes); those tiny chipset fans are loud and tend have short life spans.
 

VanTheMan

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I don't think I'm going to be going SLI or adding any more HDDs very soon since I'm probably already going to spend more than I should building this computer. I don't need twice the graphics card bill. :)

I was thinking about a UPS because the power here in Michigan just seems to be funky and I think that's what jacked my old rig, so thanks for the links Galvanized.

I thought about the A8N-SLI Premium, but I figured the stock HSF would be alright for now and I could always upgrade my chipset cooling solution later.

I'm liking Seasonic right now, but do you really think the S12-330 would be enough for the setup I described? It seems to me like the 12V rails are kind of low, but maybe I'm overestimating my power needs. I'd really like it if an S12-330 or 380 would be fine because the price difference is around $40 and I would like to budget more money for a graphics card.
GPU suggestions for me
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: VanTheMan
I don't think I'm going to be going SLI or adding any more HDDs very soon since I'm probably already going to spend more than I should building this computer. I don't need twice the graphics card bill. :)

I was thinking about a UPS because the power here in Michigan just seems to be funky and I think that's what jacked my old rig, so thanks for the links Galvanized.

I thought about the A8N-SLI Premium, but I figured the stock HSF would be alright for now and I could always upgrade my chipset cooling solution later.

I'm liking Seasonic right now, but do you really think the S12-330 would be enough for the setup I described? It seems to me like the 12V rails are kind of low, but maybe I'm overestimating my power needs. I'd really like it if an S12-330 or 380 would be fine because the price difference is around $40 and I would like to budget more money for a graphics card.
GPU suggestions for me

I've built far more power hungry systems around the 380 watt S12, so yes either the 330 or 380 watt variants will be fine. The 380 version will give you a bit more headroom if you think you?ll ever move to a more powerful GPU or CPU, if not stick with the 330 and be done with it.

As far as the chipset cooling goes it's not that easy to change it on a whim. One of the biggest problems with nForce4 boars is poor location of the chipset that blocks the use of PCI-E graphics cards when bigger passive heatsinks are used. Even if the A8N had room around its chipset which I don't think it dose you have to remove the board from the case to replace the HS/F.

Every system I build now has passive cooling on the northbridge; trust me when I say it's much easier to address the issue now then in a few months when the fan starts to die, not the mention the noise you'll save yourself from.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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A good PSU will deal with mainline flucuations from 90~140VAC with ease but not spikes or deep brown outs. VIA neighborhood petition I got SoCal Edison to change out our pole transformer because my UPS was logging variations of 103~130VAC with serious deep dips that were very brief. All is well in the hood now. Clean, stable power is the very foundation of a system...Period. A good UPS can be had for $80~$150. A good PSU can be had for $50~$120. Debates rage on this board every week about what is best & how much PSU wattage is really needed. Only you, the end user can make that determination. Add up all your system draws and add 25%. Use a well ventilated case. Do not use case exhaust as the soul means of case cooling, for a case with a mesh side panel this is do-able.

Wishing/having to buy that uber-graphics card has some buying Aspire cases w/500W Aspire PSUs inorder to $ave $ome buck$. Then in short order they come here with stability problems.

Search this Forum & Technical Support for UPS ;)


...Galvanized
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
A good PSU will deal with mainline flucuations from 90~140VAC with ease but not spikes or deep brown outs. VIA neighborhood petition I got SoCal Edison to change out our pole transformer because my UPS was logging variations of 103~130VAC with serious deep dips that were very brief. All is well in the hood now. Clean, stable power is the very foundation of a system...Period. A good UPS can be had for $80~$150. A good PSU can be had for $50~$120. Debates rage on this board every week about what is best & how much PSU wattage is really needed. Only you, the end user can make that determination. Add up all your system draws and add 25%. Use a well ventilated case. Do not use case exhaust as the soul means of case cooling, for a case with a mesh side panel this is do-able.

Wishing/having to buy that uber-graphics card has some buying Aspire cases w/500W Aspire PSUs inorder to $ave $ome buck$. Then in short order they come here with stability problems.

Search this Forum & Technical Support for UPS ;)


...Galvanized

Good points but on what basis do you make that determination?, it helps to have some pointers.

The fact of the matter is a 300-350 watt PSU is enough for almost any single CPU, GPU system. SPCR did some good tests with real hardware and power draw; Power Distribution within Six PCs. For reference the biggest most power hungry system they had 3.6GHZ P4 6800GT topped out at around 220 watts (if memory serves). The system you plan on building would consume far less so if you don't plan on any big upgrades in the future 330-380 watts is plenty.
 

Bobthelost

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Another vote for something like the seasonic 330W. That's a rather undemanding system in terms of power draw. Or if you want to save money the 450W fortron goes for $50, hard to beat.

The SLI board is a bit of a waste, but then again computers are like that at times ;) Think about getting the epox 9npa instead, a top notch single card board, or the asus A8NE if you're an asus fan.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
A good PSU will deal with mainline flucuations from 90~140VAC with ease but not spikes or deep brown outs. VIA neighborhood petition I got SoCal Edison to change out our pole transformer because my UPS was logging variations of 103~130VAC with serious deep dips that were very brief. All is well in the hood now. Clean, stable power is the very foundation of a system...Period. A good UPS can be had for $80~$150. A good PSU can be had for $50~$120. Debates rage on this board every week about what is best & how much PSU wattage is really needed. Only you, the end user can make that determination. Add up all your system draws and add 25%. Use a well ventilated case. Do not use case exhaust as the soul means of case cooling, for a case with a mesh side panel this is do-able.

Wishing/having to buy that uber-graphics card has some buying Aspire cases w/500W Aspire PSUs inorder to $ave $ome buck$. Then in short order they come here with stability problems.

Search this Forum & Technical Support for UPS ;)


...Galvanized

Good points but on what basis do you make that determination?, it helps to have some pointers.

The fact of the matter is a 300-350 watt PSU is enough for almost any single CPU, GPU system. SPCR did some good tests with real hardware and power draw; Power Distribution within Six PCs. For reference the biggest most power hungry system they had 3.6GHZ P4 6800GT topped out at around 220 watts (if memory serves). The system you plan on building would consume far less so if you don't plan on any big upgrades in the future 330-380 watts is plenty.

Did I tell the OP he needed or to buy over 450W PSU.? Don't think so.
Did I offer 80Plus, mech's guide & the PSUInquisitor that has links to SPCR.? Think I did. ;)
Did I offer some personal experiance w/o being rude.? Yeah, I did.
Did I not promote my beloved Zippy/Emacs, THE best 300~400W PSU that can be had.? Wish I had :D

...Galvanized

 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
A good PSU will deal with mainline flucuations from 90~140VAC with ease but not spikes or deep brown outs. VIA neighborhood petition I got SoCal Edison to change out our pole transformer because my UPS was logging variations of 103~130VAC with serious deep dips that were very brief. All is well in the hood now. Clean, stable power is the very foundation of a system...Period. A good UPS can be had for $80~$150. A good PSU can be had for $50~$120. Debates rage on this board every week about what is best & how much PSU wattage is really needed. Only you, the end user can make that determination. Add up all your system draws and add 25%. Use a well ventilated case. Do not use case exhaust as the soul means of case cooling, for a case with a mesh side panel this is do-able.

Wishing/having to buy that uber-graphics card has some buying Aspire cases w/500W Aspire PSUs inorder to $ave $ome buck$. Then in short order they come here with stability problems.

Search this Forum & Technical Support for UPS ;)


...Galvanized

Good points but on what basis do you make that determination?, it helps to have some pointers.

The fact of the matter is a 300-350 watt PSU is enough for almost any single CPU, GPU system. SPCR did some good tests with real hardware and power draw; Power Distribution within Six PCs. For reference the biggest most power hungry system they had 3.6GHZ P4 6800GT topped out at around 220 watts (if memory serves). The system you plan on building would consume far less so if you don't plan on any big upgrades in the future 330-380 watts is plenty.

Did I tell the OP he needed or to buy over 450W PSU.? Don't think so.
Did I offer 80Plus, mech's guide & the PSUInquisitor that has links to SPCR.? Think I did. ;)
Did I offer some personal experiance w/o being rude.? Yeah, I did.
Did I not promote my beloved Zippy/Emacs, THE best 300~400W PSU that can be had.? Wish I had :D

...Galvanized
Is it possible for me to respond to one of your posts without you interpreting it as an argument? It seems unlikely.



p.s.

just goofing around if you didn?t catch the sarcasm. :beer:
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
A good PSU will deal with mainline flucuations from 90~140VAC with ease but not spikes or deep brown outs. VIA neighborhood petition I got SoCal Edison to change out our pole transformer because my UPS was logging variations of 103~130VAC with serious deep dips that were very brief. All is well in the hood now. Clean, stable power is the very foundation of a system...Period. A good UPS can be had for $80~$150. A good PSU can be had for $50~$120. Debates rage on this board every week about what is best & how much PSU wattage is really needed. Only you, the end user can make that determination. Add up all your system draws and add 25%. Use a well ventilated case. Do not use case exhaust as the soul means of case cooling, for a case with a mesh side panel this is do-able.

Wishing/having to buy that uber-graphics card has some buying Aspire cases w/500W Aspire PSUs inorder to $ave $ome buck$. Then in short order they come here with stability problems.

Search this Forum & Technical Support for UPS ;)


...Galvanized

Good points but on what basis do you make that determination?, it helps to have some pointers.

The fact of the matter is a 300-350 watt PSU is enough for almost any single CPU, GPU system. SPCR did some good tests with real hardware and power draw; Power Distribution within Six PCs. For reference the biggest most power hungry system they had 3.6GHZ P4 6800GT topped out at around 220 watts (if memory serves). The system you plan on building would consume far less so if you don't plan on any big upgrades in the future 330-380 watts is plenty.

Did I tell the OP he needed or to buy over 450W PSU.? Don't think so.
Did I offer 80Plus, mech's guide & the PSUInquisitor that has links to SPCR.? Think I did. ;)
Did I offer some personal experiance w/o being rude.? Yeah, I did.
Did I not promote my beloved Zippy/Emacs, THE best 300~400W PSU that can be had.? Wish I had :D

...Galvanized
Is it possible for me to respond to one of your posts without you interpreting it as an argument? It seems unlikely.



p.s.

just goofing around if you didn?t catch the sarcasm. :beer:




Not being argumentative just standing my ground. After six months of dealing with your attacks on my fan recs over in C&C and steping on any PSU rec with links to SPCR it is you who should look at yourself.

Here's an example of the silent freak stupidity of SPCR.
Review of Enhance ENP-5136GH http://www.silentpcreview.com/article305-page1.html
This is amoungst the best of the sub-400W PSUs atm. Probably has better build quality than the sub-400W Seasonics, yet sells at a modest price because the end user is not carrying ad copy for them. SPCR says the fan ramps up too early and BOO-WHOs. It just missed 80% across the board because it was tested in a different enviroment than 80Plus tests. At the end of the review, 80Plus addresses this SPCR ISSUE. The folks that run spcr offer some good stuff but I don't buy the cult like nature of thier site.

You might want to look for issues with pcp&c Silencer Series that are OEMed by Seasonic. They are out there if you look.

If I wanted or needed a 300~400W SMPS, it would be Zippy/Emacs but most here would not come-up with the $75~$90 to have the best.

EDIT: Why do you think so many antec PSUs crap-out.? They took a CWT design, added a modular interface, speced a low flow fan to compete w/Seasonic and the unit will run very hot even in a well ventilated case. Now some n00b end user uses this so-so at best PSU for a source of case ventilation and it just runs hotter, cooking the electrolytics.

Do you ever think about this stuff?? We have far too many neffers on this board as it is.

Keep your beer and drugs (if you use them) as I just take an aspirin aday at breakfast and that's it for my drug use ;)


...Galvanized
 

smthmlk

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damn, where the mods to delete this start of a flame war?

anyways, i recommend the fortron 450w ax model for ~$50 at newegg. excellent psu. I have one (in addition to several other fortron 400w's, all excellent and have been great for a 1-2 years). Seasonic is also good.

 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
A good PSU will deal with mainline flucuations from 90~140VAC with ease but not spikes or deep brown outs. VIA neighborhood petition I got SoCal Edison to change out our pole transformer because my UPS was logging variations of 103~130VAC with serious deep dips that were very brief. All is well in the hood now. Clean, stable power is the very foundation of a system...Period. A good UPS can be had for $80~$150. A good PSU can be had for $50~$120. Debates rage on this board every week about what is best & how much PSU wattage is really needed. Only you, the end user can make that determination. Add up all your system draws and add 25%. Use a well ventilated case. Do not use case exhaust as the soul means of case cooling, for a case with a mesh side panel this is do-able.

Wishing/having to buy that uber-graphics card has some buying Aspire cases w/500W Aspire PSUs inorder to $ave $ome buck$. Then in short order they come here with stability problems.

Search this Forum & Technical Support for UPS ;)


...Galvanized

Good points but on what basis do you make that determination?, it helps to have some pointers.

The fact of the matter is a 300-350 watt PSU is enough for almost any single CPU, GPU system. SPCR did some good tests with real hardware and power draw; Power Distribution within Six PCs. For reference the biggest most power hungry system they had 3.6GHZ P4 6800GT topped out at around 220 watts (if memory serves). The system you plan on building would consume far less so if you don't plan on any big upgrades in the future 330-380 watts is plenty.

Did I tell the OP he needed or to buy over 450W PSU.? Don't think so.
Did I offer 80Plus, mech's guide & the PSUInquisitor that has links to SPCR.? Think I did. ;)
Did I offer some personal experiance w/o being rude.? Yeah, I did.
Did I not promote my beloved Zippy/Emacs, THE best 300~400W PSU that can be had.? Wish I had :D

...Galvanized
Is it possible for me to respond to one of your posts without you interpreting it as an argument? It seems unlikely.



p.s.

just goofing around if you didn?t catch the sarcasm. :beer:




Not being argumentative just standing my ground. After six months of dealing with your attacks on my fan recs over in C&C and steping on any PSU rec with links to SPCR it is you who should look at yourself.

Here's an example of the silent freak stupidity of SPCR.
Review of Enhance ENP-5136GH http://www.silentpcreview.com/article305-page1.html
This is amoungst the best of the sub-400W PSUs atm. Probably has better build quality than the sub-400W Seasonics, yet sells at a modest price because the end user is not carrying ad copy for them. SPCR says the fan ramps up too early and BOO-WHOs. It just missed 80% across the board because it was tested in a different enviroment than 80Plus tests. At the end of the review, 80Plus addresses this SPCR ISSUE. The folks that run spcr offer some good stuff but I don't buy the cult like nature of thier site.

You might want to look for issues with pcp&c Silencer Series that are OEMed by Seasonic. They are out there if you look.

If I wanted or needed a 300~400W SMPS, it would be Zippy/Emacs but most here would not come-up with the $75~$90 to have the best.

EDIT: Why do you think so many antec PSUs crap-out.? They took a CWT design, added a modular interface, speced a low flow fan to compete w/Seasonic and the unit will run very hot even in a well ventilated case. Now some n00b end user uses this so-so at best PSU for a source of case ventilation and it just runs hotter, cooking the electrolytics.

Do you ever think about this stuff?? We have far too many neffers on this board as it is.

Keep your beer and drugs (if you use them) as I just take an aspirin aday at breakfast and that's it for my drug use ;)


...Galvanized

Stand your ground, whatever.... I outright said it was a joke.

Never once did I attack one of your recommendations. You should realize a differing opinion is not an attack on your own. Besides more often then not there are several right answers to a question; just because my answer is not the same as yours doesn?t make either one more right then the other or less valid.

The main reason I link to SPCR in threads like this is for the testing methodology; theirs is some of the best. Since nobody here is talking about noise an Enhance would do just as well as my mentioned Seasonic.
 

VanTheMan

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Any opinions on the Enermax EG425P-VE SFMA 2.0? Is $50 shipped for a new retail package pretty good? I've read that it won't power an SLI setup. Does anybody have experience to confirm or deny that?
Noisetaker
 

LOUISSSSS

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u would never take a 420 watt psu to power an sli/crossfire setup. although for a 7800gt, or 1800xt probably but it'd be borderline
 

VanTheMan

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I currently have an eVGA 7600GT OC, so that's what I would be running SLI in the future. For now I'm not running SLI, so do you guys think it would be ok to power the system I laid out in the original post?
 

LOUISSSSS

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the 7600gt OC should be fine with the something in the 480 range of seasonic, enermax, or Fortron