PSU Selection Tool?

JackSpadesSI

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I see so many threads on this forum asking "will this PSU run my setup". I wonder the same thing about my upcoming build (first time PC builder), but I figured instead of posting one more of those, I'd ask if anyone could post a selection tool:

Does anyone know of a calculator program - or even a rule of thumb - that can estimate, based on which parts you've compiled, how much power you'll need (and then you could add a safety buffer for peace of mind)?

It would be great to definitively say "I've got CPU A, GPU B, HDD C, etc., so I know I need a 450W PSU".

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JackSpadesSI

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Nice link! Could I use that total power number for a different brand of PSU (say, Corsair)? Also, how much buffer should I give between what it recommends and what I buy? For example, if it told me I need 630W would a 650W do it or is that too close for comfort?

Given two absolutely identical systems (except for their PSUs) running at absolutely identical loads on every component, would the system with a 750W PSU draw more power from the wall than the system with the 650W PSU (assuming that the total system load was within the capabilities of both PSUs)?
 

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1) Those calculators are a rough estimate...and sometimes they over estimate, sometimes they might be a little on the low side..but generally if you are choosing from PSUs of equal quality those calculators will work for any brand....The Antec one linked is only a universal one called extreme outervision that has been tweaked to suggest Antec specific products.

2) Efficiency is the only thing that determines how much AC power your PSU will pull from the wall. Just because the PSU is rated for a higher output does not mean that it will pull more power, it will only output as much power as the components need and it will pull AC based on its efficiency. A 1000W PSU can be more efficient than a 500W PSU are various loads, or vice versa. Usually efficiency is a bell like curve being lower at lower draw raising toward the middle and getting lower toward the top end of its output, but efficiency is something that has to be judged on a unit by unit basis and not based on its rated output.
 

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Originally posted by: JackSpadesSI

Does anyone know of a calculator program - or even a rule of thumb - that can estimate, based on which parts you've compiled, how much power you'll need (and then you could add a safety buffer for peace of mind)?

Find the approximate power needed by your CPU and video card. For CPUs, the TDP will work acceptably and is generally easy enough to find. For video cards, you will generally need to find a review that does some power testing (such as most Anandtech video card reviews) and make some inferences. Or guess.

Add those numbers together. Add 50 to cover miscellaneous hardware. Divide the result by 10. Buy a power supply with a 12 V rail rated for at least that many amps. This is an adeqaute (and relatively easy to compute) rule of thumb for most purposes, although it is not at all precise (and on top of that, it deliberately tries to over-estimate!).

Example:

TDP of Pentium E2160: 65 W

Est. power draw of GeForce 8600 GT: 43 W (link)

Miscellaneous: let's say 50 W

Sum: about 160 W

Sum/10 = 16

Suggested power supply rating would be 16 A on the 12 V rail or better.

Originally posted by: JackSpadesSI
Nice link! Could I use that total power number for a different brand of PSU (say, Corsair)?

To the extent that you can use it for anything, yes. Power supply estimators that provide only a total wattage rating recommendation (such as Outervision) are limited in their utility simply because they have to make some significant assumptions. Two different power supplies with a total rating of 500 W do not necessarily have the same rating for the 12 V rail, which is where power for the CPU and video card (the most power-hungry components) comes from.

For example, if it told me I need 630W would a 650W do it or is that too close for comfort?

You can always go higher; the real concern is if you want to go lower. Anyway there is a great deal of slack in that type of recommendation, so don't take it as gospel.

Given two absolutely identical systems (except for their PSUs) running at absolutely identical loads on every component, would the system with a 750W PSU draw more power from the wall than the system with the 650W PSU (assuming that the total system load was within the capabilities of both PSUs)?

It depends. The system with a 750 W supply will not draw an extra 100 W, if that is what you are asking.

The efficiency of a power supply follows a curve, often expressed as a percentage that varies based on how much load is put on the supply (as a percentage of the supply's rated output). The peak generally occurs when the supply is loaded at about 50% of its rated output. Example. Additionally, some designs are simply more efficient, at any load, than others.

The bottom line is that you can't predict the outcome of that kind of comparison unless you have two specific models of power supply in mind.
 

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Originally posted by: RallyMaster
http://www.antec.outervision.com/

That's a really cool tool, it's giving me a wattage of 639W for:

i7 920 OC to 3.6GHZ
2 Sata HDD's
280gtx
3 DDR3 sticks
1DVDRW drive
about 4 or so fans + controller..

TDP & System load at recommended settings and capacitor aging at 25%

I was recommended 650W to be more than enough which seems rather close to what this calculator is giving me.. should I look for something more? I was hoping to get an antec signature because of the high opinions I read about it but if I step up to 850W it'll cost me almost as much as my MOBO or CPU, so maybe I should get BFG's 800W unit that is getting very good reviews also and is much cheaper..
 

Zepper

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Most of the PSU estimator programs out there overestimate badly - the Antec one is better than average.

.bh.
 

imported_Jid

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I find the PSU aspect most complicated when picking out parts, everyone has a different opinion.. I think what I'll do is get the PSU when I already have everything else, that way if I'm wrong I'll just exchange for a different unit.
 

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Ty for links. I used the antec PSU calculator, it said that with 2 Gtx 260 and an i7 920 overclocked to 4 ghz, I would be drawing about 530 W. I have already purchased the HX520, And I am wondering if it will support 260 SLI, if I get another in the future. Right now I only have the CPU at 3.21, but with a new cooler I will go higher. I will probably be using just my 2 main 750 GB HDD's, and a Sata DVD burner. I tried the corsair calculator, but could not find an option for SLI calculations.

Could someone, like Yellowbeard, tell me if the HX520 could do GTX 260 SLI? System specs in sig.

EDIT: The corsair calculator says it will work with a 295, so hopefully it will work with 2 260's.
 

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I don't think your system will actually use 530w continuously even during hardcore gaming. But you are pushing the envelope if you do put your system at .....let's say 80% of it's output.

The Nvidia SLI Zone recommends 750w and up for 260s in SLI. And, if you do approach 400w+ of usage, then you are right at or above 80% of the rated power of the PSU. Ideally, you want to be more in the 65% range maximum.

So, I'd say you are fine for a single 260 but I'd recommend a MINIMUM of our HX-620 and up if you decide to go SLI.
 

Shmee

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Ya, Ty for the help, the 530 W number was actually from the antec site given 2x GTX 260, and my i7 at a hypothetical 4 GHz. My system, in reality, probably only uses 250-400 watts max currently, as a rough guess, with one GTX 260, and my i7 at 3.2 Ghz.
 

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The other side of this coin is a lot of power supplies over rate there PSUs so be cafeful not to get fooled by them esp the cheap PSUs out there.
 

Shmee

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Well, is it possible that a good PSU like the corsair is underrated? Or PCP&C?
 

Zepper

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Quality brand PSUs should have a good 10% headroom. But running your system in the 2/3 to 3/4 rated output range will usually give you the best efficiency (as mentioned above).

.bh.