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KentState

KentState

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boshuter said:
That is the question; did Sony actually fuck up so bad that they were compromised this badly, or is Sony using "hackers" as an excuse for a reason to have PSN down for some undisclosed reason?

I find it difficult to believe that all this is because someone hacked Sony's PSN servers.
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Don't you think that if RSA can be hacked, it's only slightly possible that Sony could be a victim of hackers as well?
 
NikolaeVarius

NikolaeVarius

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boshuter said:
That is the question; did Sony actually fuck up so bad that they were compromised this badly, or is Sony using "hackers" as an excuse for a reason to have PSN down for some undisclosed reason?

I find it difficult to believe that all this is because someone hacked Sony's PSN servers.
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No. They are doing what any company would do. They detected an intrusion and they shut down everything. They hired a third party security company who spent the past few days investigating what happened. We are now getting the initial reports of what may have happened as Sony learns from the third party company.

There is nothing malicious about this or anything. People are blowing the issue out of the water. PSN is down while they completely figure out what happened. They aren't about the to bring it back up without figuring out exactly how to stop this in the future.
 
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Argo

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One thing that throws me off is that they claimed user passwords got compromised as well. I[m not even sure how that is possible, unless they store passwords in clear text, which is a big no-no.
 
Beev

Beev

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Argo said:
One thing that throws me off is that they claimed user passwords got compromised as well. I[m not even sure how that is possible, unless they store passwords in clear text, which is a big no-no.
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I wondered this as well. Passwords are usually pretty encrypted. How did they have full access to all of them?
 
Drako

Drako

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Beev said:
Same. I think people are being a little too fearmonger-y about this. Nothing wrong with being safer than sorry, though.
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It's not really a big deal to request a new credit card number, and it costs you and the CC company a lot less in the long run if you just call for a new number. Fearmongering or not, keep your best interests in mind. But go ahead and keep your old number just to see what happens :)
 
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salvorhardin

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Don't know if related but, was called by my credit card company about two hours ago. Was told my credit card was compromised. I have used it to purchase games on psn. I'm going through and changing all my passwords. Does anybody know if when the data is compromised to they combine the info when trying to use it? for example will they use the password and combine it with my email username and/or psn id? Also, since they have my email and username is there chance that the password might be brute-forced (best I can say) on other websites or will they try what they have and then give up?
 
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Drakula

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salvorhardin said:
Don't know if related but, was called by my credit card company about two hours ago. Was told my credit card was compromised. I have used it to purchase games on psn. I'm going through and changing all my passwords. Does anybody know if when the data is compromised to they combine the info when trying to use it? for example will they use the password and combine it with my email username and/or psn id? Also, since they have my email and username is there chance that the password might be brute-forced (best I can say) on other websites or will they try what they have and then give up?
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Wondering the same thing as well, because apparently, someone tried to do a password reset from Best Buy yesterday but I was not even using Best Buy's site around the time the reset was suppose to be requested. It was the same e-mail address I used for both PSN and Best Buy along with few other sites. Hopefully it was just a fluke on Best Buy's part, but still changed the password.
 
Queasy

Queasy

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SOE has announced that it will 'make good' to DC Universe Online and Free Realms players. No details on how though.
 
her209

her209

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Oct 11, 2000
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Pretty shitty/shady of Sony to withhold/delay information about people's information getting stolen.

WTF?
 
blurredvision

blurredvision

Lifer
Oct 19, 2000
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Eh, I've changed my mind after reading more about this whole thing. I just canceled my current check card and should have a new number in a week or so. The more I thought about it, the more I didn't want to mess with somebody having direct access to my cash in the bank. As for the credit card, I still think it's safe due to the recent expiration change (I definitely haven't used it on PSN since that happened), plus it's credit, so that's easier to deal with.

Stupid Sony, this really hurts their image in my eyes. Part of me wants to just sell my PS3 out of anger and be done with them, but I'll try to resist that snap judgment and ride this out to see where it goes.
 
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Feneant2

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I use my Ps3 99% only for streaming and Netflix... but I had bought a couple of games when my 360 RRoD'ed so had my info in there.

As I don't game with it, I put the Ps3 on Kijiji and hope to trade it for an Acer Revo instead. That it took them so long to notify the users really made me lose faith in them.
 
Wyndru

Wyndru

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I didn't read the whole thread, but was some of the info leaked the netflix account info? I'm assuming that's hosted by netflix, not SOE, I just wanted to check.

Also, is there a way to check which credit cards are associated with your playstation network account? I've bought games before, but I have no idea which card I used.
 
blurredvision

blurredvision

Lifer
Oct 19, 2000
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Wyndru said:
I didn't read the whole thread, but was some of the info leaked the netflix account info? I'm assuming that's hosted by netflix, not SOE, I just wanted to check.

Also, is there a way to check which credit cards are associated with your playstation network account? I've bought games before, but I have no idea which card I used.
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Netflix info is completely on Netflix's side and should not have anything to do with this breach. You are safe with that.

As far as checking credit cards, the only way to do it currently is to look back through your emails to find when you've purchased stuff or added funds to your PSN wallet. The last 4 digits of the card you used will be in the email.
 
Wyndru

Wyndru

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blurredvision said:
Netflix info is completely on Netflix's side and should not have anything to do with this breach. You are safe with that.

As far as checking credit cards, the only way to do it currently is to look back through your emails to find when you've purchased stuff or added funds to your PSN wallet. The last 4 digits of the card you used will be in the email.
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Cool, I think I do have the emails still. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
mmntech

mmntech

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Queasy said:
SOE has announced that it will 'make good' to DC Universe Online and Free Realms players. No details on how though.
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What about the rest of us? A lot of people paid a big premium for the hardware to get the free online gaming, as Penny-Arcade correctly pointed out. Throw us a freakin bone, even if it's just a free PS Mini game.

I agree that it's far worse than any of Microsoft's scandals. Hardware failures are one thing, but holding back info on the possibility of identity thefts? That's a whole other ball game. Even Apple's scandal de jour pales in comparison. For such a big company, they've handled this very poorly.

It's different from the TJ MAXX or Monoprice breeches, or even Gawker. Sony is a computer company. That's their primary business, and they should know better.

I don't think Anonymous is behind it. Somehow i think this level of intrusion is beyond 4Chan. This is obviously a very sophisticated attack, or Sony is really incompetent.
 
exar333

exar333

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Feb 7, 2004
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Pheran said:
Yup. If I had any lingering doubts about Sony's total incompetence in the security realm since the PS3 key fiasco, they are now dispelled. Also, there's no way they'd take a giant PR hit like this if they hadn't actually been hacked.
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Agreed. If this was completely tactical on Sony's part, I doubt the down-time would have been more than 1-2 days. This is a PR nightmare...
 
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