Pseudo-Intellect Thread (more sociolistic ideals) ;)

GoldenGuppy

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Well? something horrible just happened to me? my hands were full with my books, and I wanted to write something on the whiteboard (math problems so that I could study for an upcoming test). So what do I do? I try to be efficient? instead of putting down my books, then proceed to open the magic marker cap? I decided to use my teeth ? all of a sudden, I felt a leakage? I must have ruptured something in the marker with my teeth. It flowed on me, and the taste was horrible?

After reporting the scenario to my surroundings, I sat down and gave this situation a philosophical aspect/thought. I was thinking whether or not there is any correlation that the scent that we smell has something to do w/ our perception of the taste of an object. Of course this is all based on the norms in which we are brought up? and it is relevant only to particular culture. Can it be? That our sense of smell (due to culture, meaning that our culture has determined for us, that the smell of sh!t is horrible, whereas the smell of apple-scented lotion is pleasurable) ? can we use this scent-based norms to enact an ideal as to what something will taste like?

I?ve never tasted marker ink before? however, when I finally did (just now) it tasted as if I would have expected it to taste? and that was based on the smell that I have inhibited myself towards? in association with it of course. Do you guys agree w/ such an argument? Can it be that our perception of taste is actually due in part to our perception of smell ? which is rendered to be ?good? or ?bad to our social norms/standards?

I certainly think so? To put things into a different perspective, I?m sure that if we eat our own disposals (even we are able brought to do such a thing) would not be to our liking? why? Because we hate the smell? true? I believe so, because our society has deemed such a smell to be gross? something associated with decomposition? and I?m sure that the taste will be due in large part to the registration of the smell into our heads?. We can turn the table around and realize that dogs eat their own disposals? why? Because they have different norms (so to speak)? their scent for disposal is probably to their liking? who really knows (Dr. Dolittle)? never the less? something to ponder :)

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GoldenBear

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Duh. Didn't they teach you in 7th grade there are only four different types of taste? Sweet, bitter, and what not, and that your sense of smell "fills" in the voids for the rest? And that in turn explains why we don't taste food as well when we have colds or stuffy noses?

Somewhere out there is a dissapointed junior high teacher.
 

Kelvrick

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<< Duh. Didn't they teach you in 7th grade there are only four different types of taste? Sweet, bitter, and what not, and that your sense of smell "fills" in the voids for the rest? And that in turn explains why we don't taste food as well when we have colds or stuffy noses?

Somewhere out there is a dissapointed junior high teacher.
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Hmmm... I had 6 classes for 2 years with a total of 8 different teachers. make that 9 dissapointed junior high teachers out there. ;)
 

GoldenGuppy

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<< Duh. Didn't they teach you in 7th grade there are only four different types of taste? Sweet, bitter, and what not, and that your sense of smell "fills" in the voids for the rest? And that in turn explains why we don't taste food as well when we have colds or stuffy noses?

Somewhere out there is a dissapointed junior high teacher.
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Haha, I'm sure that you're Jr. High teacher is pissed off too GoldenBear... you can't seem to remember the four different tastes yourself ;) "Sweet, bitter, and, uh... what not"
And what are you saying? We don't taste foods when we have colds or stuffy noses? Of course we do... we just don't enjoy it because eating has lost its priorities... we don't enjoy it as much on the same level... the enjoyment still exists... but it doesn't have that great of a utility when it is put up against something that you want to go away - in this case a stuffy nose, or a cold.

So are you saying, that if we can't smell.. meaning we clogg up noise and breath through our mouth... that the food we eat will not have that great of a taste? I just actually tried that right now... w/ a HOT POCKET and it tasted normal - but then again, I already have planted in my mind the taste of such a food, so your do make a valid point in that case... kudos to that.

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mztykal

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LOL!

Damn, family picks on each other at the first sign of weakness.

Score one for GB! :D

 

GoldenBear

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Sweet, bitter, salty, sour. Happy? I did not feel the need to list them out because if you really wanted to know you could ask your little 7 year old cousin what they are.

As for the rest of your points, you really need to stop overanalyzing over stupid little things like these. Perhaps you feel you can impress the members here with such abilities, but it really only serves to make you appear as an overanalytical freak.

Now, are you going to go for my word on the situation, or that of yourself, someone who used their mouth to open a magic marker cap.

Perhaps your little cousin can guide you in what to do next time.
 

Kelvrick

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Actually, I remember when I was watching the Magic School Bus (that show rules!) *not recently...* Its true. Our sense of smell does work with our taste buds to send the taste signals to our brain.
 

GoldenBear

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I suggest you go here for your simple answers.

<< Not only does a stuffy nose impair the ability to breathe, it also decreases the sense of smell, which in turn decreases the awareness of taste. >>

After that, we will attempt to cover the first basic laws of addition, and the concept of carrying over.
 

GoldenGuppy

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<< Actually, I remember when I was watching the Magic School Bus (that show rules!) *not recently...* Its true. Our sense of smell does work with our taste buds to send the taste signals to our brain. >>



I knew that show would come in handy! Hehe, that teacher is so crazy. I usually watch on KCET when there's nothing on... usually in the midst of weekdays :) such zany adventures they have.

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GoldenBear

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<< I knew that show would come in handy! Hehe, that teacher is so crazy. I usually watch on KCET when there's nothing on... usually in the midst of weekdays :) such zany adventures they have.

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He's not kidding either folks.
 

Jfur

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Ummm... SMELL is actually at least as important as taste buds, perhaps even more. If you cannot smell, taste is greatly diminished (ask my husband, who has lost much of the ability to smell and has never been able to taste bitter). And also please ask a Japanese person how many "tastes" there are ;)

As for cultural factors, obviously that is one of many that influence both taste and smell.
 

GoldenGuppy

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<< As for cultural factors, obviously that is one of many that influence both taste and smell. >>



Yep :)

But then we can only say that on a relative level ... unless there are actually some people out there who have been exposed to TWO different cultures and have been able to live w/ both EQUALLY and FAIRLY (so to speak) - difficult though - eventhough most skilled anthropologist are capable of such, I'm sure... Cultural Anthropology seems to be a really interesting subject of study... as far as studying different and relative norms :)

Might persue something of the matter as a side note when I grow older (a lot older and more mature so that I can be a bit more objective than I am now :))

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FrontlineWarrior

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Hey Guppy, dude...
The few "philosophical" topics were fine. Sometimes people wonder about things like that. But now it's gotten to the point where I've questioned your motivations for posting these topics. I think it makes you feel smart or "deep" or some bullsh*t like that. That's fine and good, except for the fact that others can see this too, and personally, I find it a little annoying. As a philosophy major myself, I have had my fair share of people who love talking "philosophy." You probably think it impresses some people, and I bet it does to a certain extent. But the more you keep on posting crap like this, people are gonna think you're some pseudo-intellectual craving attention, and you wouldn't want that, right?

By the way, the relationship between taste and smell is based on science, not philosophy. Philosophers have better things to think about (arguably) than how flavor is enhanced by smell. If you really want to know, open up a science journal. The answer is probably there.
 

hoe4damoney

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The fourth taste is UMAMI

Im dead serious its the taste you get from chinese food full of MSG.


And GG I'm saddened.


I POSTED THE FACT THAT SMELL IS A PART OF TASTE TO YOUR SOCIETY/TASTE THREAD.

 

GoldenGuppy

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<< But the more you keep on posting crap like this, people are gonna think you're some pseudo-intellectual craving attention, and you wouldn't want that, right?

By the way, the relationship between taste and smell is based on science, not philosophy. Philosophers have better things to think about (arguably) than how flavor is enhanced by smell. If you really want to know, open up a science journal. The answer is probably there.
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I'm really just an excited newbie with a few years of philosophy under my belt... not much to brag about at all... as far as being a PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL is concerned.. that's exactly what I am right now.

But hopefully with a few more years of studying philosophy (I'm a business major by the way.. don't know how I got involved w/ philsophy :)) hopefully I can get a better grasp... it's just a really interesting topic to me :)

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linuxboy

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Guppy, my good man. Get off the crack:cool::p

But seriously.
But hopefully with a few more years of studying philosophy (I'm a business major by the way.. don't know how I got involved w/ philsophy ) hopefully I can get a better grasp...

HAHHAAAHAHAHAHA. Muwaaaha. You've only just begun. There is no going back now. In 2-10 years, you'll be like the rest of us crazy philosophy freaks who have a 25,000 word usable English vocabulary, can read 700 page books by crazy philosophical types who wind up saying that we all suck and that I (linuxboy) am right. Yep. You'll see what I mean then. Pretty soon, you'll become a bibliophile who spends inane amounts of $$$ on books and after cleaning out and donating half of your collection, you'll realize that you need those other 8,000+ books because those "are really important". You just watch. It'll happen.

Oh and as for your post. /me smacks Guppy with a big trout

Come now. Consider the classic argument of tabula rasea. If you accept that, then tastes are cultural but since that argument seems so nonsensical to me, I'll completely ignore it :p

So consider the baby (aaawww). The young'un knows what tastes good and bad, sweet/sour/bitter, etc. Taste is actually almost all smell. Without smell, everything would taste bland. It would all taste the same. Really...

As for the anthopological view that it's relative... Eh... Maybe. To some extent, the cultural norms and experiences contribute to a definition of what is good and bad but that still doesn't define the sense of tase completely.

If you become the typical philosophy freak and start using words like "sometimes, perhaps, it depends, seldom, rarely, not always, etc" then anything can be related to anything because the world is so interconnected.

If you've studied cultural anthropology, recall the idea in culture that all things lead to each other. Namely, one cultural object is related to an idea, that idea to another, and then the latent functions of that object are studied and everything becomes one big, raging chaotic ball of strings connecting everything to each other.

So yeah, culture influences taste. Go do some homework :p

as a side note, how about that terrorist attack, eh? Pretty well planned out, I thought.