PSA: under no circumstances should you burn pressure treated wood

NuclearNed

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This probably should be filed under "everyone knew this but me", so forgive me if I'm late to the party...

Burning:Incineration of CCA wood does not destroy arsenic. It is incredible, but a single 12 foot 2 x 6 contains about 27 grams of Arsenic - enough arsenic to kill 250 adults. Burning CCA wood releases the chemical bond holding Arsenic in the wood, and just one Tablespoon of ash from a CCA wood fire contains a lethal dose of Arsenic. Worse yet, Arsenic gives no warning: it does not have a specific taste or odor to warn you of its presence. No one disputes that the ash from burning CCA wood is highly toxic: It is illegal to burn CCA wood in all 50 states. This has serious implications for firefighters, cleanup and landfill operations.
Even more astonishing, minute amounts of 'fly ash' from burning CCA pressure treated wood, can have serious health consequences. The Journal of the American Medical Association reported on a family that burned CCA in a wood stove for winter heating. Their hair fell out, all family members suffered severe, recurring nosebleeds, extreme fatigue and debilitating headaches. The parents complained about 'blacking out' for periods of several hours, followed by long periods of extreme disorientation. Both children suffered frequent seizures described as 'grand mal'. The symptoms were finally traced to breathing minute amounts of arsenic laden dust leaking from the furnace as fly ash. The family's houseplants and fish died, too, victims of copper poisoning from the same dust. Peters HA, et al: Seasonal exposure to arsenic from burning CCA wood. JAMA 25118)2393-96, 1984)

other info from the EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/oppad001/reregistration/cca/cca_consumer_safety.htm

And I had some old fencing that I was going to burn this weekend... I guess I'm off to the landfill pronto!!!
 

gorcorps

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I know people who know this, but they don't know what pressure treated lumber looks like so it wouldn't do them much good.
 

NuclearNed

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I know people who know this, but they don't know what pressure treated lumber looks like so it wouldn't do them much good.

I've burned a small amount of it before, but had no idea it was hazardous. I mentioned to a guy at work that I was going to burn some this weekend and he wigged out. Thus this thread...
 

Greenman

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I had thought that pressure treated lumber had been reformulated several years ago to remove the arsenic?
 

Ancalagon44

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Oh I thought this was about those products made from compressed wood fibers. But this is about lumber used for construction treated with a pesticide?
 

Scarpozzi

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I had thought that pressure treated lumber had been reformulated several years ago to remove the arsenic?
They got real serious about it back in 2000. Prior to that, they used to build playgrounds, picnic tables, etc with treated lumber. I'm not sure what the processes are these days, but do know that there have been changes.

If you use treated lumber for decking or whatever else, it's still good practice to seal the wood with a water or oil-based weather sealant. I think that helps lock in the freshness of the arsenic so when you dispose of it, it's just as concentrated as the day it was dipped.
 

KB

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And I had some old fencing that I was going to burn this weekend... I guess I'm off to the landfill pronto!!!

Are you certain its pressure treated? I just burned a bunch of fencing. Since it was almost completely rotten, bug eaten and falling down I assumed it didn't have an pressure treatment at all.
 

ch33zw1z

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Are you certain its pressure treated? I just burned a bunch of fencing. Since it was almost completely rotten, bug eaten and falling down I assumed it didn't have an pressure treatment at all.

I burned 20 feet of fencing for the same reason. Rotted to the point of falling apart while being handled. Figured it wasn't pressure treated, and any markings indicating it would of been long gone. The other 20 feet got tossed.
 
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NuclearNed

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Are you certain its pressure treated? I just burned a bunch of fencing. Since it was almost completely rotten, bug eaten and falling down I assumed it didn't have an pressure treatment at all.

100% sure, and mine also was rotten and thoroughly eaten by carpenter bees
 

NuclearNed

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Oh I thought this was about those products made from compressed wood fibers. But this is about lumber used for construction treated with a pesticide?

yes - pressure treated lumber... technically it probably isn't a pesticide, but has been treated to resist rot (& probably insects too)
 

NuclearNed

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Bees you say. Have you thoroughly desecrated their lair in vengeance?

Not yet. Prior to today they were a mere annoyance as they have been systematically eating my fence. But now I understand the depravity of their hidden intentions: they are slowly poisoning my property through their arsenic-laced poo. In response, I'm going to have to think of something... special.
 

SunnyD

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I know this isn't quite true for some people around here, but I know *I* don't go around licking wood at random so this wouldn't be a problem for me...

:sneaky:
 

MarkXIX

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I guess I never thought much about handling the stuff. I've done several projects over the years with the stuff, should I have worn gloves while handling?

I knew not to burn it though, that much I've heard before.
 

NuclearNed

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I guess I never thought much about handling the stuff. I've done several projects over the years with the stuff, should I have worn gloves while handling?

I knew not to burn it though, that much I've heard before.

the EPA link in my original post basically says to not touch it, allow it to touch food, allow it to touch water sources, etc.
 

Vdubchaos

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What if you get a splinter? No warnings for that....but you know darn well you will probably get cancer.

:biggrin:
 

dank69

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I know this isn't quite true for some people around here, but I know *I* don't go around licking wood at random so this wouldn't be a problem for me...

:sneaky:
You're missing out, it is delicious. Well it was before I lost all sense of taste from what I assume is not related.
 

Eug

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No arsenic in PT here now. Hasn't been arsenic in it for years.

However, old decks and fences and what not may have arsenic.

Dunno what current code is here but in the past you'd fail an inspection if you had PT for indoor construction, because of the risk in a fire.

I know this isn't quite true for some people around here, but I know *I* don't go around licking wood at random so this wouldn't be a problem for me...

:sneaky:
Actually, you should be wary also if the old PT is in your vegetable garden. Garden boxes or fencing, etc. Probably not a big risk but the risk is not zero.

BTW, the much more expensive cedar (which has no arsenic or copper or whatever) rots quite fast too if in contact with soil in wet conditions. I know because I had a cedar deck and some cedar fencing. Had to replace both recently. We used PT because it's a lot cheaper.

My house's siding is cedar, and it seems to be enduring extremely well, but that's because it's not sitting in wet soil all the time, and because it's painted with exterior paint.
 
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dud

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No arsenic in PT here now. Hasn't been arsenic in it for years.

However, old decks and fences and what not may have arsenic.

Dunno what current code is here but in the past you'd fail an inspection if you had PT for indoor construction, because of the risk in a fire.


Actually, you should be wary also if the old PT is in your vegetable garden. Garden boxes or fencing, etc. Probably not a big risk but the risk is not zero.



I too was concerned about this as I have just started a veg garden surrounded by PT 2x4s. I did some research and found this:

http://www.finegardening.com/does-pressure-treated-wood-belong-your-garden


Regardless of the risks I will be pulling the boards up.