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sportage

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What continues to get me and this just proves the power of fake talking points, when republicans claim WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THIS GUY or WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THAT GUY.
Totally ignoring that it is DONALD TRUMP blocking those witnesses from testifying.
DUH....
Republicans should not be asking democrats on the committee this question, republicans should be asking DONALD TRUMP this question.
In reality, republicans DO NOT WANT any of those witnesses to show up.
Their pretend outrage is only fuel for their fake talking points.

And fleshconsumed is correct.
Most people out there are not following this at all.
They only go by what someone else tells them that they heard, or only hear someone else opinion.

Frankly, I don't care if the people are or are not following this.
This is not up to the people to decide.
This involves the breaking of law and the cover-up and only the authorities should be directly involved in processing this.
This isn't mob rule or some Donald Trump reality TV show where people are voted off the island. This is for congress and only congress to decide.
What the polls show or what the people might think does not apply.
 
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soundforbjt

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Direct witness testimony of people who were actually part of the Ukraine scandal barely moved the impeachment polling...I'm not sure any Dem screaming impeachment will convince the people that need to be convinced (ie. non-Dem voters).

IMO the longer it goes on the more people this will ensnare, which is a good thing to really drain the swamp.
It won’t sway his supporters, nothing will, but it might sway some independents.
 

Maxima1

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Direct witness testimony of people who were actually part of the Ukraine scandal barely moved the impeachment polling...I'm not sure any Dem screaming impeachment will convince the people that need to be convinced (ie. non-Dem voters).

Many people who haven't made up their minds on how to view Trump aren't paying attention from what I've read. I think there probably will be some sort of dip in approval once he's actually impeached. Though, Piglosi wants this done shortly after Christmas, so that would likely fizzle by election time without other developments.
 

fleshconsumed

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Frankly, I don't care if the people are or are not following this.
This is not up to the people to decide.
This involves the breaking of law and the cover-up and only the authorities should be directly involved in processing this.
This isn't mob rule or some Donald Trump reality TV show where people are voted off the island. This is for congress and only congress to decide.
What the polls show or what the people might think does not apply.
I think you absolutely should care if people are following this or not. As it stands right now, the Senate will acquit leaving 2020 vote as the only remedy to throw out every Republican who refuses their duty to impeach/convict. You, and everybody else should absolutely care that people are following this and remember what they saw at the voting booth in 2020.
 
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Jhhnn

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Dems should drag this out as long as possible so people remember when it's time to vote. Give it a year between impeachment and vote and people might not remember.

Having said that, the only hope of any change here is through the vote IMO...GOP will not be persuaded by facts.

I think not. The GOP's strongest tactic is the repetition of lies. They haven't figured out which ones to tell at this point & there's no advantage in giving them the time to figure it out. Make 'em own Trump's contempt for the Law.
 

hal2kilo

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All the Pubs got is Dems said they wouldn't do this unless it was bi-partisan. That's literally all they've come up with as a counter at this point.,
 
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OrByte

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The hardcore ~35% of Americans that support Trump will never change. The democrats understand this.

The effort is to show the remaining ~65% of America that 1. This is important and 2. This impacts them 3. Americans need to do something about it (IE Americans need to CARE.) whether through impeachment, or voting, or protests, or anything other than sticking their collective fingers up their noses.

I don't see Democrats gaining traction in any of the above 1/2/3.
 

sportage

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I think you absolutely should care if people are following this or not. As it stands right now, the Senate will acquit leaving 2020 vote as the only remedy to throw out every Republican who refuses their duty to impeach/convict. You, and everybody else should absolutely care that people are following this and remember what they saw at the voting booth in 2020.

This is a necessary constitutional process concerning the accountability of one branch of government by another. It is not up for a popular vote.
Congress must do what they must do, we all know when it goes to the senate the senate will acquit regardless of the facts or the constitution.
The people can have their say at the ballot box in November.
The people have no say in the matter while the impeachment process goes forward, however they do have their say in November and if the people decide to re-elect Donald Trump then it is what it is.
Oh sure, people will live to regret that vote and eventually suffer buyers remorse, yet should the people fail their duty at least we know the house did their duty.

In a perfect world every citizen would be paying close attention, in a perfect world. We do not live in a perfect world. Republicans and especially the Trumpies know this all too well and they know how to distract from the facts and how to twist reality into fiction simply by repeating at every chance their lies and their fake assessments.
 
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Jhhnn

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Many people who haven't made up their minds on how to view Trump aren't paying attention from what I've read. I think there probably will be some sort of dip in approval once he's actually impeached. Though, Piglosi wants this done shortly after Christmas, so that would likely fizzle by election time without other developments.

Piglosi? Gawd. I'm sure there are a lot of GOP politicos who'd like to be able to put a little air between themselves & Trump. Just enough to attract swing voters & hold the Trumpetized base at the same time. They won't have that option after an impeachment vote.

And, let's face it- Trump is likely to fuck up left, right, deep & repeatedly in a highly offensive fashion before we get to the election. We'll be lucky if he doesn't blow up the world in some way or another.
 

kage69

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You seem to be optimistic here. I'm not. It's becoming overwhelmingly clear to me that vast majority of the American people are either woefully misinformed and brainwashed to the point where they actually think Republicans put forth solid arguments at the hearings or do not care enough to follow the hearings at all so their decision will be based on what soundbites sound the most compelling. The right wing/Russian propaganda machine works wonders, I really underestimated intelligence of average American. My only hope is that the younger generation will see through this bullshit and start voting out GOP out of office before it is too late as there is no hope for boomers and such to turn around.

Well then we definitely disagree on what constitutes "the vast majority."

What I'm optimistic about is that Trump has effectively lost all of his indie and anti-Hillary Dem support in this smoldering dumpster fire called the Trump admin. I see this tracking like Watergate, where the public, sans MAGA cult, slowly comes around to 'holy shit, this guy HAS to go'. Republicans are cowards who put party before country so I expect they will go down with the ship. They will acquit him in the Senate and act like heroes, but pay the price nationally in 2020 because his "ethno-nationalist" base who gave up on America just isn't big enough to keep him in office. It's actually shrinking, while support for impeachment/removal is slowly growing. Time is not on their side. Don't you mean overestimated intelligence of average American? If I were you I'd avoid using American as a synonym for republicans. Sad, but that's where we're at with these fools.

I share your worry about foreign attempts to corrupt the election, as well as republican efforts to allow it. Efforts that go way beyond propaganda btw and aren't limited to Russia (they're just the most proficient at it).




 
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ivwshane

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It won’t sway his supporters, nothing will, but it might sway some independents.

These hearings and impeachment process doesn’t need to sway anyone. All they need to do is get people fired up to go out and vote against the guy. The good news is that there are already more pro democrats than pro republicans voters. The negative of course is that democrat voters aren’t as reliable as republicans voters at actually showing up and voting.
 

sportage

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Did someone already mention that Melania tweeted her distaste for Pamela Karlan for bringing up son Barron?
Gee Melania, now you know how Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch felt when your fat ass of a husband attacked the ambassador during her appearance.
You Trump's sure know how to dish it out, but you definitely can not take it.

Wow, I just realized something new that to my knowledge has never been stated or realized.... that WE HAVE THE VERY FIRST HONEST TO GOODNESS DYSFUNCTIONAL FIRST FAMILY IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
 

compuwiz1

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Did someone already mention that Melania tweeted her distaste for Pamela Karlan for bringing up son Barron?
Gee Melania, now you know how Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch felt when your fat ass of a husband attacked the ambassador during her appearance.
You Trump's sure know how to dish it out, but you definitely can not take it.

Wow, I just realized something new that to my knowledge has never been stated or realized.... that WE HAVE THE VERY FIRST HONEST TO GOODNESS DYSFUNCTIONAL FIRST FAMILY IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

One of the subjects in your post is a minor. You don't have a problem with that? Any mama bear wouldn't take that. I don't care who's child it is.
 

kage69

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Go Gaetz!

Prof Pam Karlan, having a personal opinion on politics, wtf! Who does she think she is? Boof Kavanaugh? Donald Trump? Silly woman.
 
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soundforbjt

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I just wish one of the Dems had the balls to say the reason it's not going to be a bipartisan vote for impeachment is because the Repubs are scared to lose their jobs because of Trump. Be honest with the American People and tell it like it is.
 

NWRMidnight

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What was it that she said about baron?
This statement: " The Constitution says there can be no titles of nobility, so while the President can name his son Barron, he can't make him a baron "

That's it. Anyone complaining about it is taking it out of context and missing the real point of the comment. It really had NOTHING to do with the child at all, other than using his name to make a point.
 
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fleshconsumed

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Well then we definitely disagree on what constitutes "the vast majority."

What I'm optimistic about is that Trump has effectively lost all of his indie and anti-Hillary support in this smoldering dumpster fire called the Trump admin. I see this tracking like Watergate, where the public, sans MAGA cult, slowly comes around to 'holy shit, this guy HAS to go'. Republicans are cowards who put party before country so I expect they will go down with the ship. They will acquit him in the Senate and act like heroes, but pay the price nationally in 2020 because his "ethno-nationalist" base who gave up on America just isn't big enough to keep him in office. It's actually shrinking, while support for impeachment/removal is slowly growing. Time is not on their side. Don't you mean overestimated intelligence of average American? If I were you I'd avoid using American as a synonym for republicans. Sad, but that's where we're at with these fools.

I share your worry about foreign attempts to corrupt the election, as well as republican efforts to allow it. Efforts that go way beyond propaganda btw and aren't limited to Russia (they're just the most proficient at it).
Yes, I did mean to say overestimated.

Again, anecdotal sample of my coworkers, some plainly just don't care for the hearings at all, completely, it just doesn't concern them in the slightest. Others don't care because Senate will acquit so what's the point? Even the coworkers that I consider politically and philosophically involved don't really pay as much attention as they should considering the gravity of the situation.

I am not at all optimistic that people are going to have the "holy shit this guy has to go" moment. I'm hoping against all hope that this will indeed happen, that the democratic turnout we saw in 2018 will only grow stronger in 2020, but the American electorate has let me down so many times before it's hard for me to trust them ever again.


he must have the same disease Graham was infected with
How unsurprisingly typical...
 

compuwiz1

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Playing the victim card-


The faux outrage in that is pitiful.

Sometimes I wish Democrats were as good of people, in practice, as they claim to be. Tolerant, accepting, fair, etc. Sure....as long as those involved play for the correct side, otherwise it's knives and arrows. Minor children are off limits and I said that when people made digs at Obama's kids too.