jackstar7
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The reporting I read was that it was something about abortion.Could anyone understand what that idiot yelled up on the balcony? I'm sure he will enjoy his time in jail.
The reporting I read was that it was something about abortion.Could anyone understand what that idiot yelled up on the balcony? I'm sure he will enjoy his time in jail.
Ted Bundycruz-something has words as well.... bundy cause lady justice is getting rapekilled again.
How many GOP critters are spewing Russian Intelligence propaganda/conspiracy theories now? All of them?
@tedcruz
Except the president didn’t investigate corruption, he asked a foreign country to. More specifically he only asked them to look at something that involves his political rival and he didn’t even care if there was an investigation only that there was an announcement.
Ted Bundycruz-something has words as well.... bundy cause lady justice is getting rapekilled again.
How many GOP critters are spewing Russian Intelligence propaganda/conspiracy theories now? All of them?
@tedcruz
Except the president didn’t investigate corruption, he asked a foreign country to. More specifically he only asked them to look at something that involves his political rival and he didn’t even care if there was an investigation only that there was an announcement.
Ted Bundycruz-something has words as well.... bundy cause lady justice is getting rapekilled again.
How many GOP critters are spewing Russian Intelligence propaganda/conspiracy theories now? All of them?
It's an exercise in the theory of the Big Lie, the preposterous notion that Trump singled out the Bidens for the special ratfucking in order to root out corruption in Ukraine. Anybody who actually believes it is daft.
I'm not sure how right any of this is. Is the answer to sit on impeachment for what amounts to a year while waiting for the courts to rule on something they likely will not rule on in time for the election? If your goal is messaging to the electorate the message I would get from that is there wasn't anything that important to impeach about because you could afford to wait a year. Second, regardless of the evidence Republican senators aren't going to vote to convict so 'exonerating' him a month before the election seems like a bad idea.
When it comes to Democrats, there is no right balance. They will be attacked if they do and attacked if they don't. On any issue. Democrats can do no right. Probably because they hate America.We're seeing we're not waiting around a year with no action.
There have been nearly daily revelations after the impeachment vote. No reason to think the well is dry either.
Even Pelosi's justification for holding the articles was in large part based on trying to get the Senate to call witnesses to allow more evidence collection.
Bolton, Lev, the OMB decision... All of this came within the last month.
The Rs have made a defense that why should they call more witnesses, why isn't the House's investigation job complete?
It's not without merit. It will resonate with voters.
The push to get it out by Christmas doesn't seem to have much logic behind it other than it's a convenient date, and the primaries are about to start.
Was that the right balance? We'll find out soon enough.
The D leadership is accountable for the success of the strategy.
We're seeing we're not waiting around a year with no action.
There have been nearly daily revelations after the impeachment vote. No reason to think the well is dry either.
Even Pelosi's justification for holding the articles was in large part based on trying to get the Senate to call witnesses to allow more evidence collection.
Bolton, Lev, the OMB decision... All of this came within the last month.
The Rs have made a defense that why should they call more witnesses, why isn't the House's investigation job complete?
It's not without merit. It will resonate with voters.
The push to get it out by Christmas doesn't seem to have much logic behind it other than it's a convenient date, and the primaries are about to start.
Was that the right balance? We'll find out soon enough.
The D leadership is accountable for the success of the strategy.
Or hold up aid to Israel and force the Mossad to get him a copy of Trump's pee tape before the elections. That's almost the same crime as TrumpI am wondering... for the period Obama had the House... Why didnt he use EP to throw Moscow Mitch in jail on treason charges? Just collude with the House to not formalize impeachment. Job done. I really think the dems dropped the ball on that one.
This shit works real well when your base are evangelical dolts that live their lives on such broken logic.
To be fair it's not exactly an unreasonable model for how Republicans are viewing Democrats with respect to investigating Biden, for example. Of course, in the case of Trump there is a whole lot of evidence of abuse of power that has been sought and documented. And with Biden despite it being plainly obvious that hiring the VP's son for the board of your company in the midst of a corruption investigation against you is an obvious power play and thus form of corruption, and that Biden getting involved with the firing of Shokin involved the appearance of a possible conflict of interest, there is no evidence whatsoever that any illegal activity or abuse of power occurred connected to these actions which have already been investigated.
Thus, what is important to me is not highlighting the paradigm but rather pointing out that some standard of evidence is what substantiates the need to investigate/prosecute a crime or abuse of power.
All that said, I am bothered that, despite the evidence clearly supporting to my eye a significant abuse of power and obstruction on behalf of the President, that the impeachment proceedings and trial have been approached by the Congress with a foregone conclusion on both sides. While it is totally fine to approach them with an awareness of already established facts obviating a position, it is the duty of a jury to approach eliciting and hearing evidence in a trial without any such presumption -- guilt or innocence.
I'm not sure how getting Shokin fired is a possible conflict of interest as the reason Biden was trying to get him fired was that he WASN'T investigating Burisma.
I'm not sure how getting Shokin fired is a possible conflict of interest as the reason Biden was trying to get him fired was that he WASN'T investigating Burisma.
