PSA: How To Get Good Credit Score

Svnla

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Since many ATOTers are not very good at basic finance, handle credit cards, debt, etc., and I saw this article. Good read in plain English. New Year = better handling of finance/debt/credit cards.

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-bu...a-perfect-credit-score?mod=series-m-article-c

You can also get FREE credit reports (not score) from all 3 credit bureaus once a year = https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/index.jsp

If you have great credit score, you would more than likely get "premium/high end" credit cards with extra benefits and protections such as these for no cost = http://usa.visa.com/personal/visa-signature/benefits/index.jsp

Credit scores are statistical calculations used to determine a person's creditworthiness. The most common credit score is the FICO score, named after software developer Fair Isaac and Corporation. FICO scores are typically provided to lenders by the three major credit reporting agencies -- Experian, TransUnion and Equifax -- to help lenders assess their risk in loaning money to individuals.

A person's credit score, which may differ by reporting agency, affects both his and her ability to qualify for different types of credit and to receive favorable interest rates. Based on national averages in December 2010, a homeowner applying for a $200,000, 30-year fixed mortgage with a credit score between 760 and 850, for example, may receive a 4.353% APR, resulting in monthly payments of $996. The same loan for a person with a lower credit score between 620 and 639 would result in a 5.942% APR, or $1,192 per month. Over the life of the loan, the person with the higher credit score would save approximately $70,000 in interest. While many people strive to achieve the highest credit score possible, few will earn that elusive perfect score -- the 850.

Keeping Score
Credit scores range from 300 to 850. According to MyFICO.com, approximately 13% of FICO credit scores exceed 800, and only 1% of consumers achieve a perfect score of 850. In general, the higher the score, the lower the risk to any potential lenders.

Five factors are included and weighted in calculating a person's credit score:
1. 35 percent -- Payment history
2. 30 percent -- Credit utilization
3. 15 percent -- Length of credit history
4. 10 percent -- New credit
5. 10 percent -- Types of credit used

The One Percent
While many people have excellent credit scores, what are 1% of Americans doing differently than the other 99%? Since a perfect score is so difficult to earn, those who do achieve it are often actively and consciously trying to do so. Whether you are gunning for a spot in the top or simply trying to improve your credit rating score, these tips can help.

• Pay bills on time -- Even one late payment can hugely impact a person's credit score. Paying every bill on time -- from credit cards, mortgages and medical bills -- is important to maintaining or achieving a high score. A perfect credit score will typically show no late payments in the last seven years.

• Use only a fraction of your available credit -- In general, the less credit you are using, the better. The ideal number to aim for is to use only 10-20% or less of your available credit each month. Thirty-percent of your credit score is based on credit use -- the ratio of your debt to your credit limit. The higher the number, the lower the credit score. People with perfect scores usually have a low utilization rate of less than 10%.

• Review your credit report -- Looking at your own credit report will not negatively impact your credit score. Consumers are entitled to at least one free credit report each year from one of the three major credit bureaus, and should review the report for any errors such as incorrect credit limits or delinquencies.

• Manage your credit card quiver -- Too many credit cards can make you appear desperate for credit. As such, it is better to have only a few credit cards, with the bulk of spending placed on one card since you can be penalized for having multiple large balances. Many issuers now automatically close inactive credit cards, so be sure to make small charges every few months on the lesser-used card(s) to keep the account open; otherwise, request that the account be closed.

• Diversify your credit -- Having multiple types of credit is a plus when it comes to your credit score. A consumer who has a variety of debt types may be considered financially responsible (assuming the payments are being made on time). Credit cards, mortgages, automobile loans and retail accounts can increase your credit score -- to a point. Too many accounts may reduce your score. A good number to aim for is six: this is the number of accounts that perfect credit holders typically have.

• Wait for it -- It takes time to build credit and to get a perfect credit score. Ten years of positive account history is generally needed to score above 800; people with a perfect score opened their first account 20 years earlier.
 
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Raduque

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When you pull in $5 million a month, you don't need to be good with finances. And that's the low end of the average pay of an ATOTer! :awe:
 

Farang

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Is the utilization rate based on current utilization or some average of past utilization?
 

Svnla

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Is the utilization rate based on current utilization or some average of past utilization?

Current. For example, if you have a credit card with a $5,000 limit, you need to have the amount of usage at $1,500 or less (every month) to keep it below the threshold of 30%. I have good FICO score because I never ever go over 30%. Less is even better, as the article says 10 to 20%.

When you pull in $5 million a month, you don't need to be good with finances. And that's the low end of the average pay of an ATOTer! :awe:

Well, the PSA/guide is for normal working folks. The big whales need to go to Vegas and put it all on red. :)
 
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hiromizu

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I hate the credit system cuz I'm ultra conservative and won't buy stuff that I don't have cash for. The only exception would be a home which I won't even get into unless I put down at least 25%. Homes worth buying around here are ~750k so..that's a bit distant. I'm doing alright though with an 800 score and absolutely zero debt.

There's really no secret though. Always use your credit card but only if you have excess cash RIGHT NOW. ALWAYS pay the FULL credit card bill long before the due date. If you can, put it on auto pilot which is what I do with my Amex cards and every recurring bill like utilities. Also call your creditor and ask them to raise the credit limit because that helps with the score. I told them I was going to buy a car and they upped it straight away. They didn't even ask questions. I got my limits upped to 21k on my Amex Blue and my Amex gold is pretty much limitless. I did this diligently and perfectly for 8+ years after I had started with a $500 secure card from BofA. I checked my credit with the 3 bureaus every quarter and fought off any false reports and paid any legitimate claims straight away. It took a lot of sacrifice and persistence but the work paid off.

It's really quite simple really....the only thing you should ever have to pay interest on is a house. Everything else should be paid at once with cash. Yes, that includes cars. If you can't do that, you cannot afford it in my opinion.
 

Turin39789

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Current. For example, if you have a credit card with a $5,000 limit, you need to have the amount of usage at $1,500 or less (every month) to keep it below the threshold of 30%. I have good FICO score because I never ever go over 30%. Less is even better, as the article says 10 to 20%.



Well, the PSA/guide is for normal working folks. The big whales need to go to Vegas and put it all on red. :)

I have a citicard that I love to hate. Just reapplied for the airline bonus miles, but it has a 15k limit, however since they would allow me to go over if needed they don't report the limit on my credit report. So instead of looking like 1k/15k ratio, it just shows a 1k balance paid off. Will spend for the bonus then try to transfer credit to one of their cards that does have a preset spending limit and close the account.
 

Exterous

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I hate the credit system cuz I'm ultra conservative and won't buy stuff that I don't have cash for.

If you're smart about doing it you can take advantage of some great rewards programs out there. Right now we are working towards our second free airline ticket but we don't go banana samich and still pay off the balance every month

Also call your creditor and ask them to raise the credit limit because that helps with the score.

IIRC having too much credit for your income level will hurt your score
 

Svnla

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Turin - if you don't like that particular credit card, pay off the balance and keep it open and charge some small amounts once in a while. Don't just close it for spite, it will hurt you in #3 - lenght of credit history.

Hiromizu - you said "ALWAYS pay the FULL credit card bill long before the due date". That is #1, very important, never ever late or missed even one payment. Huge consequences for your credit score if you do.

Exterous - yup, love my 2% cash back credit card. I earn about $50 to $100 per month just by using the card for almost everything except rent, -darn it the landlord- (my household/daily expenses and business expeneses). Just have to keep the utilization low and pay on time and all are well. Of course, I don't just go hogwild and buy everything under the sun just to earn cash back. I only use it for things that I/my business need.
 
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RockinZ28

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Good info.

Am currently trying to up my score so I can buy a house, only started my credit last year. Basically my only option was going to my bank and showing them my W-2, and was granted a $500 card.

Last week got a Capital One credit card with a $2,000 limit by applying online. So seems to be working, I hope.

Oh yea and the Capital 1 has the cashback, so I'm all for getting paid to spend my money rather than the other way around with most credit uses.
 
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hiromizu

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Good info.

Am currently trying to up my score so I can buy a house, only started my credit last year. Basically my only option was going to my bank and showing them my W-2, and was granted a $500 card.

Last week got a Capital One credit card with a $2,000 limit by applying online. So seems to be working, I hope.

Oh yea and the Capital 1 has the cashback, so I'm all for getting paid to spend my money rather than the other way around with most credit uses.

uhh, on the right track but you're not going to be buying a house anytime soon if you're just starting.
 

hiromizu

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Hiromizu - you said "ALWAYS pay the FULL credit card bill long before the due date". That is #1, very important, never ever late or missed even one payment. Huge consequences for your credit score if you do.

Yep. The point is you have to pay the FULL amount (the bigger number). Many Americans think you can simply pay the minimal payment due and continue to spend...which is incorrect. If you spend $2500 in one month on your credit card, you're going to pay $2500 when that monthly bill comes in its ENTIRETY.
That's the only way to be sure.
 

Svnla

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Rockin - you are in the right path but you are short in #3 - lenght of credit history (only 1 year or less). You need to get a copy of credit report from all 3 credit bureaus from https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/index.jsp to be sure all information are correct. Keep up the good work and you be fine. All you need is time.

Hiromizu - yes, pay on time and pay IN FUL so you will NOT pay any interest or fees...i.e. you get "free" money from the credit card company to spend for 1 month. But you have to pay on time and pay in full, every single month.
 
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Raduque

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I actually made big mistakes when I was younger, fresh out of high-school and got a $500 credit card (of course, it was one of those shitty cards w/half the credit limit ate up by fees), and I just never paid it.

Now, I'm restarting from having a 520 credit score, just got my Capital One secured card ($200 minimum deposit) and my credit score jumped easily 30 points just by getting the card. I'm going to use it only for gas ($20/mo i can get by on) and lunch at work (2 days a week, about $10-12) and pay it in-full, every month.
 

QueBert

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If you're smart about doing it you can take advantage of some great rewards programs out there. Right now we are working towards our second free airline ticket but we don't go banana samich and still pay off the balance every month



IIRC having too much credit for your income level will hurt your score

If you're even smarter you could shop at places that give discounts for people who pay cash. Which will always end up equaling more $$$ than a CC will give you in their rewards program. I can't think of anything I don't know where to buy with around a 3-5% discount for cash.
 

RockinZ28

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I've heard first time home buyers don't need that much credit history or a spectacular score? Maybe thats true but I'll get a worse rate like the article states? Definitely don't want to be paying $70,000 extra.

Also job counts towards it after 2 years at the same company? That will be in a couple months.

I guess I could take out a small personal loan of like 3k and make payments for 3 months and pay it off to get some payment history and boost my score if possible. Currently have no debt or car payments etc. but my rent is $1350/mo and going down the toilet.
 

rcpratt

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It's easy when you don't screw it up from the beginning. My score was high enough for the lowest rate when I leased my car in my junior year of college. Three years later and with a good income, I'm pretty sure it's over 800. I'll check again in a few months.
 

RPD

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Great stuff, ordered my reports. One thing I hate, none of them actually tell you your credit score. I've never been turned down for any loan in my life, but it's good to see all the information and to double check the accuracy.
 

Xcobra

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I hate the credit system cuz I'm ultra conservative and won't buy stuff that I don't have cash for. The only exception would be a home which I won't even get into unless I put down at least 25%. Homes worth buying around here are ~750k so..that's a bit distant. I'm doing alright though with an 800 score and absolutely zero debt.

There's really no secret though. Always use your credit card but only if you have excess cash RIGHT NOW. ALWAYS pay the FULL credit card bill long before the due date. If you can, put it on auto pilot which is what I do with my Amex cards and every recurring bill like utilities. Also call your creditor and ask them to raise the credit limit because that helps with the score. I told them I was going to buy a car and they upped it straight away. They didn't even ask questions. I got my limits upped to 21k on my Amex Blue and my Amex gold is pretty much limitless. I did this diligently and perfectly for 8+ years after I had started with a $500 secure card from BofA. I checked my credit with the 3 bureaus every quarter and fought off any false reports and paid any legitimate claims straight away. It took a lot of sacrifice and persistence but the work paid off.

It's really quite simple really....the only thing you should ever have to pay interest on is a house. Everything else should be paid at once with cash. Yes, that includes cars. If you can't do that, you cannot afford it in my opinion.
Why can't use your credit card as if you were using cash? Paying for things you normally pay with cash? Credit is NOT free money. What you need to do is put all your expenses on the credit card and pay it off at the end of the month. Simple.
 

Exterous

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If you're even smarter you could shop at places that give discounts for people who pay cash. Which will always end up equaling more $$$ than a CC will give you in their rewards program. I can't think of anything I don't know where to buy with around a 3-5% discount for cash.

Really? Do student loan companies give discounts for cash? Does Comcast give discounts for paying with cash? Does Sprint give discounts for paying with cash? No. My car loan does not give discounts for cash either. Furthermore I would have to drive out there to pay in cash instead of calling or paying online so I would be wasting gas too
 
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Svnla

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Exterous - agree, I rarely see any places around here that would give discount for cash, must be in Quebert's "hood" only. :)

Dmcowen - this is finance discussion, if you want to spew your drivel, P&N is that way.

Xcobra - yup, pay all your expenses with CC and then pay it ALL off before the due date. Win, win.

Rpd - I wish we can get credit score also. Don't you know that a few years ago, you would have to pay to get your own credit report? Just have to wait when they run special and you could get credit score for free (doesn't happen a lot).

Rcprat - it is easy to start in good terms. But it is never too late. If you have bad credit, just clean it up and after a few years (10 years max with bankruptcy), you will be good again.

Rockin - dunno about buying a house. If you have 20% downpayment, it would be a good start. A stable job is good to apply for credit but it would not do much for the score.

Quebert - maybe it is in your "hood" that they give out discounts for using cash, but around here, cash = credit, no discounts whatsoever.

Raduque - it is never too late to start over. Just learn your lesson and follow the guide and you will be fine in a few years.
 
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Texashiker

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From the link posted in the OP.


• Pay bills on time -- Even one late payment can hugely impact a person's credit score. Paying every bill on time -- from credit cards, mortgages and medical bills

This is why you NEVER give your social security number to the doctors office.

Social Security numbers are for paying income tax, and should never be used as a form of identification outside the federal government. If your not paying taxes, there is no reason for a company to have your SS number.


Manage your credit card quiver -- Too many credit cards can make you appear desperate for credit.

Anyone see my thread on not having a credit card here on anandtech? According to some of the people on this forum, credit cards are great and people should use them as much as possible.