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PSA don't become a math teacher

rocadelpunk

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No amount of love for the profession or children will make seeing

x - y < 4 ---> -y < -4x


After solving equations for 3-4 months now.

Or studying arithmetic sequences


like ___ ,1, 4, 7, 10...

and asking what would go in the ___ and getting 0 because negative numbers apparently don't exist.

High school by the way.

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Note: I do love the job, it's just disheartening sometimes : )

Nearly every error made has nothing to do with the concepts taught, but with adding/subtracting/multiplying/dividing integers. Can't reach these kids when we have to do a new lesson each day and they don't know the basics.
 
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I feel your pain. I tutor math to middle/high school kids and some of them don't understand basic algebra.

WTF is so hard about x - 3 = 7 => x = 10? 😕
 
I feel for the teachers who have to teach the regular level classes. I remember the teachers at my high school telling us that they were lucky if they were able to teach through the entire class (usually the teacher loses control of the classroom).
 
I get that all the time with tutoring.
It's just totally beyond some kids to grasp the concept of numbers beyond the most basic arithmetic.
It makes me realize why almost all math in school is taught in a step by step algorithm method rather than conceptually.
The educational system is based off standards. Funding revolves around schools meeting those standards through standardized testing.
Thus a students success on the test is valued far more than actually understanding the material. Thus it forces schools to teach how to do well on the tests rather than to really learn.
Then you have kids learning fractions(such as doing the following problem: 5 is what &#37; of 10) by making them memorize the formula the number after is over the number of is equal to x/100 rather than letting them conceptualize what a fraction is so that they could easily see that 5 is half of 10 and that's the same as 50%.

Recent studies on how the brain works and differences between individuals on how they process information may provide some insight as to why certain students prefer to learn step by step, while others like to learn conceptually and look at the big picture. One model finds that people have a tendency to learn either in step by step details as an auditory sequential learner, or have a tendency to learn by understanding the concepts and looking at the big picture as a visual spatial learner.
http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm

Evidence for this model of learning preferences is demonstrated with the invention of the transcranial magnetic stimulator. Scientists are now able to shut off or stimulate select parts of your brain. In one study, a scientist had a left brain dominant person draw a horse from memory before and after running the TMS to inhibit his left brain. Before the inhibition, he was only able to draw a general gist of what a horse looks like. But after his left brain was inhibited from taking over the detailed processing of the right brain, his drawings became filled with life and the horse was drawn with lifelike details.
http://www.wimp.com/innersavant/
 
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I guess I'm lucky. Half of my students are "regular" students, but I don't have too many problems. I do work with some small groups of students who need extra help though, and almost invariably, the kids who are struggling, lack basic arithmetic skills. It's pretty hard to figure out what's going on with 8x times 9x = 72x&#178;, when you don't even know that 8 times 9 = 72. "It's like, whoa, magic, everything changed."

My only advice when working with kids like this is a very step by step process that relies 100&#37; on their calculators. Adding and subtracting vertically helps. (And expecially show all the work, like on the first problem you linked.)

When solving a problem like 5x+3=7x-9, it pains me to have the students automatically subtract the 7x from both sides. But, when I work with remedial level students, that's exactly what we do. Most people would just mentally arrange it, while avoiding negative numbers, but with remedial students, it really doesn't matter - they're going to be using the calculator for that.

There are all sorts of "crutches" you can give to remedial level students to make it so that they can at least pass high school algebra. Percent problems become "is over of equals percent over 100." Again, I cringe. But, from a more experienced teacher, I learned that even the worst students get the majority of simple problems correct when writing that proportion and then filling in the numbers.

In geometry, other than doing proofs, I've never had trouble with any level of students. But, you have to be aware that many of the lower level students are pretty poor at memorizing formulas such as finding the midpoint. With the slope formula, distance/length of a line segment formula, and midpoint formula, there are so many x+x's and x-x's that the students often confuse them (the formulas.) So, midpoint becomes "average the x's, average the y's."

Other types of problems simply become a matter of drill and kill. I had a student last year who couldn't do a proof to save his/her life. "AB is perpendicular to BC. What can you figure out from that?" "That angle A is congruent to angle C because the perpendicular transversal bisects the midpoint of the pythagorean isosceles triangle?" <bewildered look on my face.>
But you can damn well bet that he/she, given two points, could find the equation of the perpendicular bisector of the segment connecting those two points. Blindfolded. In his/her sleep. Drill & kill baby. What's nice about that is when you can find a "difficult" problem like that and FINALLY get them to accomplish one independently, it really boosts their self esteem in mathematics a little bit. Then, you can play off that boost & get them to learn a little more. But, at some point, you have to figure out where to cut your losses (in geometry, it's usually proofs) and more effectively utilize the remaining time.
 
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Thanks for the advice : ).

I'll hit you up for calc lessons one day.

Also, no calculators allowed since the AIMS (arizona state test) doesn't allow them : (.
 
Evidence for this model of learning preferences is demonstrated with the invention of the transcranial magnetic stimulator. Scientists are now able to shut off or stimulate select parts of your brain. In one study, a scientist had a left brain dominant person draw a horse from memory before and after running the TMS to inhibit his left brain. Before the inhibition, he was only able to draw a general gist of what a horse looks like. But after his left brain was inhibited from taking over the detailed processing of the right brain, his drawings became filled with life and the horse was drawn with lifelike details.
http://www.wimp.com/innersavant/


Very interesting, but I have a hard time trusting anyone wearing a sideways baseball hat. 🙂

That test seems to say that higher thinking is actually antithetical to raw learning, which is exactly the opposite of what most people believe and are taught.

I find it very interesting and wonder if it's not a more "recent" phenomenon that our higher faculties are being overly utilized. From a purely anthropological standpoint, we (as a species) have never lived with the comforts that we do now, and as such, historically have never had the same opportunity to exercise our higher faculties. We don't need our lower brain in order to survive as much as we did historically.
 
Sometimes when marking exams I find people can't read instructions either. For example, it says to graph an equation and people just ignore it. They then bitch when they get a 50&#37;.

So, college freshman these days can't read and they can't do algebra. They can't party as well either. What exactly can they do?
 
Sometimes when marking exams I find people can't read instructions either. For example, it says to graph an equation and people just ignore it. They then bitch when they get a 50%.

So, college freshman these days can't read and they can't do algebra. They can't party as well either. What exactly can they do?

facebook :awe:
 
I was in honors math all through high school so it wasn't that bad, but I would seriously strangle some kids if I had to teach math to the kind of idiots I know are out there. I nearly lose it with my sister when I try to help her out and she's not even that bad.
 
No. It is not correct.

x - y < 4 ---> -y < 4 - x is correct.

You are subtracting the x, not multiplying it.

I vaguely remember something about having to flip the "alligator" from back in middle school. Then again I haven't done problems like this in more than 10 years...
 
No amount of love for the profession or children will make seeing

x - y < 4 ---> -y < -4x


After solving equations for 3-4 months now.

Or studying arithmetic sequences


like ___ ,1, 4, 7, 10...

and asking what would go in the ___ and getting 0 because negative numbers apparently don't exist.

High school by the way.

----

Note: I do love the job, it's just disheartening sometimes : )

Nearly every error made has nothing to do with the concepts taught, but with adding/subtracting/multiplying/dividing integers. Can't reach these kids when we have to do a new lesson each day and they don't know the basics.

Congrats on Special Ed career.
 
I vaguely remember something about having to flip the "alligator" from back in middle school. Then again I haven't done problems like this in more than 10 years...
You flip the inequality when you divide by a negative number. But that wasn't the issue here.
 
No amount of love for the profession or children will make seeing

x - y < 4 ---> -y < -4x

...


You sure the kid is not just dyslexic? If he divided by x he would have gotten -y<4/x, seeing that he has a negative sign and that he multiplied instead of dividing seems odd. Might be 2 mistakes.
 
No amount of love for the profession or children will make seeing

x - y < 4 ---> -y < -4x


After solving equations for 3-4 months now.

Or studying arithmetic sequences


like ___ ,1, 4, 7, 10...

and asking what would go in the ___ and getting 0 because negative numbers apparently don't exist.

High school by the way.

----

Note: I do love the job, it's just disheartening sometimes : )

Nearly every error made has nothing to do with the concepts taught, but with adding/subtracting/multiplying/dividing integers. Can't reach these kids when we have to do a new lesson each day and they don't know the basics.


I was tutoring someone in their 20s on geometry so they could pass the teaching test in Massachusetts. She made incredible strides in a brief amount of time and could handle all the concepts I was teaching her within a week or two. When I would give her examples, she rarely got more than 70% of them right. The reason? Shit tons of errors in her arithmetic. So I started forcing her to double check her work, and after that she pretty much aced everything. Hopefully she passed the test this past saturday!
 
It's you who needs to get with the program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_mathematics

There are no right or wrong answers only tying.

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It's okay, they tried too. 🙂
 
I guess I'm lucky. Half of my students are "regular" students, but I don't have too many problems. I do work with some small groups of students who need extra help though, and almost invariably, the kids who are struggling, lack basic arithmetic skills. It's pretty hard to figure out what's going on with 8x times 9x = 72x², when you don't even know that 8 times 9 = 72. "It's like, whoa, magic, everything changed."

My only advice when working with kids like this is a very step by step process that relies 100% on their calculators. Adding and subtracting vertically helps. (And expecially show all the work, like on the first problem you linked.)

When solving a problem like 5x+3=7x-9, it pains me to have the students automatically subtract the 7x from both sides. But, when I work with remedial level students, that's exactly what we do. Most people would just mentally arrange it, while avoiding negative numbers, but with remedial students, it really doesn't matter - they're going to be using the calculator for that.

There are all sorts of "crutches" you can give to remedial level students to make it so that they can at least pass high school algebra. Percent problems become "is over of equals percent over 100." Again, I cringe. But, from a more experienced teacher, I learned that even the worst students get the majority of simple problems correct when writing that proportion and then filling in the numbers.

In geometry, other than doing proofs, I've never had trouble with any level of students. But, you have to be aware that many of the lower level students are pretty poor at memorizing formulas such as finding the midpoint. With the slope formula, distance/length of a line segment formula, and midpoint formula, there are so many x+x's and x-x's that the students often confuse them (the formulas.) So, midpoint becomes "average the x's, average the y's."

Other types of problems simply become a matter of drill and kill. I had a student last year who couldn't do a proof to save his/her life. "AB is perpendicular to BC. What can you figure out from that?" "That angle A is congruent to angle C because the perpendicular transversal bisects the midpoint of the pythagorean isosceles triangle?" <bewildered look on my face.>
But you can damn well bet that he/she, given two points, could find the equation of the perpendicular bisector of the segment connecting those two points. Blindfolded. In his/her sleep. Drill & kill baby. What's nice about that is when you can find a "difficult" problem like that and FINALLY get them to accomplish one independently, it really boosts their self esteem in mathematics a little bit. Then, you can play off that boost & get them to learn a little more. But, at some point, you have to figure out where to cut your losses (in geometry, it's usually proofs) and more effectively utilize the remaining time.

Damn you Doc...Speak English. Some of those words made sense...but not many. 😛

(I are SO math stupid.)
 
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